WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:13.943 --> 00:00:15.024 Ladies and gentlemen, 00:00:15.074 --> 00:00:15.713 welcome at the 00:00:15.713 --> 00:00:16.753 Solari Report. 00:00:16.854 --> 00:00:17.514 I'm your host, 00:00:17.514 --> 00:00:18.444 Else Van Hamelen. 00:00:19.183 --> 00:00:19.894 Today we have 00:00:19.894 --> 00:00:20.663 a very special 00:00:20.664 --> 00:00:21.474 guest that needs 00:00:21.474 --> 00:00:22.503 no introduction, 00:00:22.714 --> 00:00:23.334 but I will do 00:00:23.334 --> 00:00:24.233 so nonetheless. 00:00:24.793 --> 00:00:25.784 Dr. Joseph P. 00:00:25.784 --> 00:00:27.003 Farrell is an Oxford 00:00:27.033 --> 00:00:28.083 educated scholar 00:00:28.103 --> 00:00:28.993 with a doctorate in 00:00:28.993 --> 00:00:30.733 patristics, author 00:00:30.733 --> 00:00:31.813 of numerous books 00:00:31.853 --> 00:00:32.713 covering a wide 00:00:32.713 --> 00:00:33.713 range of topics 00:00:34.443 --> 00:00:35.703 ranging from physics, 00:00:35.733 --> 00:00:37.663 finance, technology, 00:00:37.863 --> 00:00:39.833 theology, alternative 00:00:39.833 --> 00:00:40.553 history, and the 00:00:40.553 --> 00:00:42.133 cosmic war, and the 00:00:42.133 --> 00:00:43.213 post-World War II 00:00:43.223 --> 00:00:44.413 Nazi international. 00:00:45.193 --> 00:00:46.353 On Solari, he has 00:00:46.423 --> 00:00:47.203 often stressed 00:00:47.203 --> 00:00:48.103 the importance of 00:00:48.103 --> 00:00:49.223 saving the culture. 00:00:49.423 --> 00:00:49.943 This is what 00:00:49.943 --> 00:00:50.544 we are going to 00:00:50.544 --> 00:00:51.563 focus on today. 00:00:52.683 --> 00:00:53.693 Poland, when it was 00:00:53.703 --> 00:00:54.663 part of the Soviet 00:00:54.663 --> 00:00:55.923 Union, was able to 00:00:55.923 --> 00:00:57.363 create a successful 00:00:57.363 --> 00:00:58.093 non-violent 00:00:58.133 --> 00:00:59.233 resistance movement 00:00:59.564 --> 00:01:00.604 under a powerful 00:01:00.604 --> 00:01:01.913 totalitarian state. 00:01:02.603 --> 00:01:03.703 How did they do this? 00:01:04.703 --> 00:01:05.533 On his website, 00:01:05.553 --> 00:01:07.643 Giza Death Star, Dr. 00:01:07.643 --> 00:01:08.793 Farrell discusses 00:01:08.793 --> 00:01:09.633 the book authored 00:01:09.663 --> 00:01:11.103 by Robert Suzowski, 00:01:11.173 --> 00:01:12.293 titled Political 00:01:12.293 --> 00:01:12.923 Dissent and 00:01:12.973 --> 00:01:14.153 Opposition in Poland. 00:01:14.933 --> 00:01:16.013 It has many lessons 00:01:16.013 --> 00:01:16.703 for our time. 00:01:17.303 --> 00:01:18.203 They discovered that 00:01:18.214 --> 00:01:19.213 building the culture 00:01:19.233 --> 00:01:20.413 was key to effective 00:01:20.413 --> 00:01:21.923 resistance, but what 00:01:21.924 --> 00:01:22.734 does this actually 00:01:22.734 --> 00:01:23.593 mean in practice? 00:01:23.653 --> 00:01:24.144 This is what 00:01:24.144 --> 00:01:24.703 we are going to 00:01:24.703 --> 00:01:25.533 discuss today. 00:01:26.893 --> 00:01:28.133 Dr. Farrell, welcome. 00:01:28.723 --> 00:01:29.134 Thanks for 00:01:29.134 --> 00:01:29.743 having me, Else. 00:01:31.403 --> 00:01:31.873 Thank you for 00:01:31.873 --> 00:01:32.724 taking the time. 00:01:32.994 --> 00:01:33.404 Sure. 00:01:34.604 --> 00:01:35.583 So yeah. 00:01:35.583 --> 00:01:36.243 So you gave a 00:01:36.244 --> 00:01:37.263 presentation on 00:01:37.263 --> 00:01:38.163 your website- and 00:01:38.163 --> 00:01:39.473 I found it extremely 00:01:39.473 --> 00:01:41.283 interesting, and in 00:01:41.284 --> 00:01:42.404 this presentation 00:01:42.413 --> 00:01:43.654 you mostly, yeah, 00:01:43.663 --> 00:01:44.923 summarized the book. 00:01:45.633 --> 00:01:46.644 But it has so many 00:01:46.644 --> 00:01:48.113 lessons for 00:01:48.193 --> 00:01:48.893 our time. 00:01:51.213 --> 00:01:52.583 So before we dive 00:01:52.583 --> 00:01:53.603 into this Polish 00:01:53.613 --> 00:01:54.613 case study, can you 00:01:54.613 --> 00:01:55.693 perhaps describe 00:01:55.843 --> 00:01:58.333 some of the Polish 00:01:58.383 --> 00:02:00.103 culture and history 00:02:00.153 --> 00:02:00.994 that gave it such 00:02:00.994 --> 00:02:02.393 a fertile soil 00:02:02.423 --> 00:02:03.244 for this kind of 00:02:03.583 --> 00:02:04.803 effective dissent? 00:02:05.163 --> 00:02:06.113 Yeah, sure. 00:02:06.814 --> 00:02:08.593 I w- I personally 00:02:09.143 --> 00:02:10.263 would like to point 00:02:10.273 --> 00:02:12.233 to three things in, 00:02:12.463 --> 00:02:13.753 let's say, the last 00:02:13.973 --> 00:02:16.123 400 years o- of 00:02:16.133 --> 00:02:17.493 Polish history that 00:02:18.353 --> 00:02:20.553 I think were pivotal 00:02:20.873 --> 00:02:21.873 to the creation 00:02:21.894 --> 00:02:24.343 of a distinct 00:02:24.413 --> 00:02:26.024 Polish identity. 00:02:26.034 --> 00:02:27.163 And the first would 00:02:27.174 --> 00:02:28.644 be the Polish role 00:02:28.683 --> 00:02:29.423 in the Battle of 00:02:29.424 --> 00:02:30.853 Vienna in the 17th 00:02:30.873 --> 00:02:32.393 century, when the 00:02:32.403 --> 00:02:33.463 Ottoman Turks had 00:02:33.463 --> 00:02:34.193 literally pushed 00:02:34.193 --> 00:02:35.293 their armies right to 00:02:35.293 --> 00:02:36.503 the gates of Vienna. 00:02:37.564 --> 00:02:38.163 And it was, 00:02:38.163 --> 00:02:38.964 of course, the 00:02:38.974 --> 00:02:40.893 Polish leader, 00:02:40.903 --> 00:02:43.343 Jan Sobieski, that 00:02:43.534 --> 00:02:45.203 stopped that advance. 00:02:45.213 --> 00:02:46.263 So in other words, 00:02:46.513 --> 00:02:47.603 Western Europe 00:02:47.603 --> 00:02:49.383 owes its existence- 00:02:50.004 --> 00:02:51.563 to being a Christian 00:02:51.564 --> 00:02:53.104 civilization largely 00:02:53.133 --> 00:02:55.839 to Poland he 00:02:55.839 --> 00:02:57.089 was crucial in, 00:02:57.099 --> 00:02:58.099 in stopping that 00:02:58.119 --> 00:02:59.079 Ottoman advance. 00:02:59.079 --> 00:02:59.739 And then of course, 00:02:59.749 --> 00:03:00.519 ultimately, the 00:03:00.519 --> 00:03:01.599 Ottoman Empire 00:03:02.399 --> 00:03:03.839 receded and 00:03:03.839 --> 00:03:05.049 collapsed in, in 00:03:05.049 --> 00:03:05.779 the wake of the 00:03:05.789 --> 00:03:07.219 Austrian advance over 00:03:07.219 --> 00:03:08.249 several centuries. 00:03:08.649 --> 00:03:09.299 So that would be 00:03:09.299 --> 00:03:10.009 the first thing. 00:03:10.739 --> 00:03:12.009 The second thing, and 00:03:12.009 --> 00:03:14.569 this is even I think 00:03:14.729 --> 00:03:16.869 the crucial event in 00:03:16.869 --> 00:03:18.049 terms of what we're 00:03:18.049 --> 00:03:19.279 gonna be discussing 00:03:19.869 --> 00:03:21.429 about the strategy 00:03:21.519 --> 00:03:24.019 that the Polish used 00:03:24.079 --> 00:03:25.449 to defeat the Soviet 00:03:25.499 --> 00:03:27.950 Union, and that was 00:03:27.950 --> 00:03:29.019 the partitions, the 00:03:29.019 --> 00:03:30.339 three partitions of 00:03:30.339 --> 00:03:31.779 Poland by Prussia, 00:03:31.809 --> 00:03:33.260 Russia, and Austria 00:03:33.839 --> 00:03:35.280 in the 18th century. 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:35.839 There were three 00:03:35.839 --> 00:03:37.949 partitions under 00:03:37.949 --> 00:03:38.849 Frederick the Great, 00:03:38.870 --> 00:03:40.109 Maria Theresa, 00:03:40.109 --> 00:03:42.289 and Catherine the 00:03:42.289 --> 00:03:43.749 Great in, in Russia. 00:03:44.699 --> 00:03:46.279 And by the end of the 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:47.669 three partitions of 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:50.939 Poland as a state, 00:03:51.579 --> 00:03:52.540 and this is the key 00:03:52.540 --> 00:03:54.049 point, as a state 00:03:54.169 --> 00:03:55.759 had ceased to exist. 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:59.313 However The 00:03:59.313 --> 00:04:00.663 Polish people and 00:04:00.663 --> 00:04:02.043 culture did not. 00:04:03.093 --> 00:04:04.123 So in other words 00:04:04.633 --> 00:04:05.943 we are used to 00:04:05.953 --> 00:04:07.053 thinking, especially 00:04:07.053 --> 00:04:07.763 in Europe and the 00:04:07.763 --> 00:04:08.873 United States, we are 00:04:08.873 --> 00:04:10.193 used to identifying 00:04:10.223 --> 00:04:11.173 our culture with 00:04:11.173 --> 00:04:11.883 our government. 00:04:13.313 --> 00:04:13.993 And this is 00:04:13.993 --> 00:04:15.403 not the case. 00:04:16.303 --> 00:04:17.253 Long before there 00:04:17.253 --> 00:04:18.473 was a Germany, there 00:04:18.473 --> 00:04:20.023 were Germans, okay? 00:04:20.453 --> 00:04:21.233 But there were lots 00:04:21.233 --> 00:04:22.573 of little countries 00:04:23.013 --> 00:04:24.163 that were German, but 00:04:24.253 --> 00:04:25.333 there was no Germany. 00:04:25.343 --> 00:04:26.113 So in other words, 00:04:26.643 --> 00:04:27.883 we've gotta, we've 00:04:27.883 --> 00:04:28.923 gotta get into the 00:04:28.933 --> 00:04:30.093 Polish mind here 00:04:30.493 --> 00:04:31.394 of thinking that 00:04:31.394 --> 00:04:32.343 the government is 00:04:32.353 --> 00:04:33.763 not necessarily 00:04:34.153 --> 00:04:34.893 the culture. 00:04:35.153 --> 00:04:36.443 The nation and 00:04:36.453 --> 00:04:37.653 the state are two 00:04:37.653 --> 00:04:38.333 different things. 00:04:39.513 --> 00:04:41.083 This is crucial to 00:04:41.083 --> 00:04:42.193 what the Polish did. 00:04:42.793 --> 00:04:43.663 The third thing 00:04:43.663 --> 00:04:45.493 that I think was 00:04:45.523 --> 00:04:47.983 a crucial formative 00:04:47.983 --> 00:04:49.543 mo- moment in, in 00:04:49.543 --> 00:04:51.193 the modern Polish 00:04:51.193 --> 00:04:53.203 identity was in 00:04:53.423 --> 00:04:54.213 of course in the 00:04:54.213 --> 00:04:55.353 aftermath of World 00:04:55.353 --> 00:04:56.313 War I, you had 00:04:56.313 --> 00:04:57.333 the restoration 00:04:57.363 --> 00:04:58.763 of Poland under 00:04:59.173 --> 00:05:00.633 Józef Piłsudski 00:05:00.943 --> 00:05:02.263 and leaders like 00:05:02.263 --> 00:05:03.123 that during the 00:05:03.133 --> 00:05:04.453 interwar period. 00:05:05.303 --> 00:05:06.493 And then of 00:05:06.493 --> 00:05:07.243 course, you had the 00:05:07.243 --> 00:05:08.733 Molotov-Ribbentrop 00:05:08.763 --> 00:05:10.904 Pact in 1939, 00:05:10.913 --> 00:05:12.243 which again was 00:05:12.243 --> 00:05:13.183 another partition 00:05:13.183 --> 00:05:13.953 of Poland by 00:05:13.963 --> 00:05:15.023 Germany and Russia. 00:05:15.583 --> 00:05:17.443 So you have 00:05:17.773 --> 00:05:19.633 created here a 00:05:19.663 --> 00:05:22.413 mentality amongst the 00:05:22.413 --> 00:05:23.874 Polish people that 00:05:23.874 --> 00:05:24.963 their culture and 00:05:24.963 --> 00:05:26.193 their nation are not 00:05:26.203 --> 00:05:27.354 necessarily always 00:05:27.373 --> 00:05:29.043 going to be in sync 00:05:29.044 --> 00:05:29.883 with each other. 00:05:30.903 --> 00:05:31.653 The government 00:05:31.683 --> 00:05:32.574 and the culture 00:05:32.574 --> 00:05:34.203 are at times gonna 00:05:34.203 --> 00:05:35.133 be in opposition. 00:05:35.523 --> 00:05:36.803 This is the key to 00:05:36.803 --> 00:05:37.973 what the Poles did, 00:05:38.263 --> 00:05:39.933 because they seized 00:05:39.973 --> 00:05:41.583 on that distinction- 00:05:42.253 --> 00:05:43.683 between culture and 00:05:43.683 --> 00:05:44.783 nation on the one 00:05:44.783 --> 00:05:46.063 hand, and government 00:05:46.093 --> 00:05:48.313 on the other and 00:05:48.323 --> 00:05:50.813 absolutely reduced 00:05:51.133 --> 00:05:52.493 the Warsaw Pact 00:05:52.953 --> 00:05:54.233 to a non-entity. 00:05:54.683 --> 00:05:55.933 It, it absolutely 00:05:55.933 --> 00:05:56.903 spread from there 00:05:59.159 --> 00:06:00.079 So they also 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:00.699 did something 00:06:00.699 --> 00:06:01.289 that they called 00:06:01.299 --> 00:06:02.949 government of souls. 00:06:03.029 --> 00:06:03.519 Yes. 00:06:04.649 --> 00:06:05.089 Yes. 00:06:05.389 --> 00:06:06.529 Can you explain that? 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:08.759 It's basically… 00:06:09.789 --> 00:06:10.849 There isn't a, 00:06:10.869 --> 00:06:12.189 there isn't a way 00:06:12.189 --> 00:06:13.569 to, to put it other 00:06:13.569 --> 00:06:15.679 than our current 00:06:15.979 --> 00:06:17.409 American or perhaps 00:06:17.409 --> 00:06:18.489 Western European 00:06:18.489 --> 00:06:19.419 term for it would 00:06:19.429 --> 00:06:21.529 be thought leaders. 00:06:21.529 --> 00:06:21.979 You've heard 00:06:21.979 --> 00:06:22.799 that expression- 00:06:22.829 --> 00:06:24.449 sometimes in, in 00:06:24.449 --> 00:06:25.769 American podcasts. 00:06:25.799 --> 00:06:26.609 I don't like the 00:06:26.609 --> 00:06:27.849 expression myself. 00:06:28.379 --> 00:06:29.219 I prefer the 00:06:29.219 --> 00:06:30.089 old expression 00:06:30.099 --> 00:06:31.529 intelligentsia, 00:06:31.579 --> 00:06:34.499 spiritual mentorship 00:06:34.829 --> 00:06:35.549 things like that. 00:06:35.559 --> 00:06:36.249 That's essentially 00:06:36.249 --> 00:06:36.919 what the Poles 00:06:36.919 --> 00:06:37.529 mean by it. 00:06:37.899 --> 00:06:38.379 In other words, 00:06:38.379 --> 00:06:40.039 people that are 00:06:40.969 --> 00:06:42.689 identifiably 00:06:43.249 --> 00:06:44.219 significant 00:06:44.239 --> 00:06:46.039 leaders in terms 00:06:46.059 --> 00:06:47.079 of the culture. 00:06:49.019 --> 00:06:50.119 An example of that 00:06:50.119 --> 00:06:50.979 would be, a very 00:06:50.979 --> 00:06:51.809 obvious example 00:06:51.819 --> 00:06:52.489 of that would be 00:06:52.489 --> 00:06:53.669 Cardinal Wyszinski 00:06:54.179 --> 00:06:55.299 during the post-war 00:06:55.299 --> 00:06:56.609 period, and then of 00:06:56.609 --> 00:06:59.359 course his successor 00:06:59.749 --> 00:07:00.799 Cardinal Wojtyla, 00:07:00.829 --> 00:07:01.429 who eventually 00:07:01.429 --> 00:07:02.359 went on to become 00:07:02.359 --> 00:07:03.689 Pope John Paul II. 00:07:04.149 --> 00:07:04.999 So those are the 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:06.079 kinds of people that 00:07:06.299 --> 00:07:07.449 are the soul leaders. 00:07:07.729 --> 00:07:08.109 They don't 00:07:08.129 --> 00:07:08.999 necessarily have to 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:10.169 be ecclesiastical 00:07:10.169 --> 00:07:10.689 figures. 00:07:10.699 --> 00:07:11.519 They could be 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:13.839 professors, authors, 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:15.769 artists anybody 00:07:15.789 --> 00:07:18.649 that's exercising a 00:07:18.669 --> 00:07:20.259 significant role in 00:07:20.259 --> 00:07:21.530 cultural influence. 00:07:21.939 --> 00:07:22.549 That's what they 00:07:22.549 --> 00:07:23.340 would mean by it. 00:07:23.849 --> 00:07:26.085 However- It's not 00:07:26.085 --> 00:07:27.285 just anybody that's 00:07:27.345 --> 00:07:28.725 exercising influence. 00:07:28.745 --> 00:07:29.675 They also have to 00:07:29.675 --> 00:07:31.195 be identified and 00:07:31.195 --> 00:07:32.765 sympathetic with 00:07:33.455 --> 00:07:34.335 the traditional 00:07:34.355 --> 00:07:35.395 culture of Poland. 00:07:35.565 --> 00:07:36.765 That's the key thing. 00:07:39.095 --> 00:07:40.075 Because I understand 00:07:40.075 --> 00:07:40.695 they're al- there's 00:07:40.695 --> 00:07:42.895 also a culture among 00:07:42.895 --> 00:07:43.785 the intelligentsia 00:07:43.945 --> 00:07:46.425 to to read certain 00:07:46.435 --> 00:07:47.735 types of magazines, 00:07:47.755 --> 00:07:48.325 have debating- 00:07:48.325 --> 00:07:49.115 Yes … clubs. 00:07:49.115 --> 00:07:49.775 Yes. 00:07:50.385 --> 00:07:52.365 Connect arts, Yes 00:07:52.545 --> 00:07:53.875 … go to s- kind of 00:07:53.875 --> 00:07:55.235 music performances. 00:07:55.525 --> 00:07:55.695 Yes. 00:07:55.705 --> 00:07:57.205 And so it was very 00:07:57.205 --> 00:07:58.495 deliberate activity 00:07:58.535 --> 00:07:59.356 to, to maintain- 00:07:59.356 --> 00:08:01.005 Yes … this culture- 00:08:01.015 --> 00:08:02.465 Yeah … and show it. 00:08:02.765 --> 00:08:03.035 Yeah. 00:08:03.035 --> 00:08:03.545 Yes. 00:08:03.595 --> 00:08:04.635 Yes, absolutely. 00:08:04.645 --> 00:08:06.775 They, the… What 00:08:06.785 --> 00:08:08.545 happened was this 00:08:08.565 --> 00:08:10.785 got started in the 00:08:10.795 --> 00:08:13.145 very early 1970s when 00:08:13.145 --> 00:08:14.235 you had the Polish 00:08:14.255 --> 00:08:15.265 Communist government 00:08:15.295 --> 00:08:16.225 under a fellow by 00:08:16.225 --> 00:08:18.655 the name of Gomulka, 00:08:18.655 --> 00:08:19.515 Wladyslaw Gomulka. 00:08:19.515 --> 00:08:20.585 I r- I remember 00:08:20.585 --> 00:08:21.085 this guy. 00:08:21.535 --> 00:08:21.865 Okay? 00:08:21.865 --> 00:08:22.505 I'm old enough 00:08:22.505 --> 00:08:23.255 to remember this 00:08:23.255 --> 00:08:24.375 guy, and he was 00:08:24.665 --> 00:08:25.455 a creep, to be 00:08:25.455 --> 00:08:26.055 honest with you. 00:08:27.095 --> 00:08:27.845 He had all the 00:08:27.845 --> 00:08:29.075 pizzazz and charisma 00:08:29.075 --> 00:08:30.095 of Leonid Brezhnev. 00:08:30.336 --> 00:08:33.385 So he, it was, he 00:08:33.476 --> 00:08:34.845 was a real dud, but 00:08:35.245 --> 00:08:36.245 he, his government 00:08:36.275 --> 00:08:36.885 announced they 00:08:36.885 --> 00:08:37.895 were gonna increase 00:08:38.235 --> 00:08:40.266 prices across the 00:08:40.266 --> 00:08:40.915 board, particularly 00:08:40.915 --> 00:08:41.795 in foodstuffs. 00:08:42.305 --> 00:08:43.265 And that started it, 00:08:44.015 --> 00:08:45.315 because the workers 00:08:45.335 --> 00:08:46.605 just said, "No we 00:08:46.605 --> 00:08:47.545 can't afford that, 00:08:47.555 --> 00:08:49.015 and you're you're 00:08:49.605 --> 00:08:50.436 cleaning us out 00:08:50.445 --> 00:08:51.226 already. We're 00:08:51.226 --> 00:08:52.025 just not gonna do 00:08:52.025 --> 00:08:52.966 it." And they just 00:08:52.966 --> 00:08:54.025 flatly refused. 00:08:54.315 --> 00:08:55.035 So the government 00:08:55.045 --> 00:08:55.806 started to crack 00:08:55.806 --> 00:08:56.785 down, and as a 00:08:56.785 --> 00:08:58.895 result, the Poles 00:08:58.905 --> 00:09:00.015 started forming what 00:09:00.015 --> 00:09:01.005 they called Workers' 00:09:01.005 --> 00:09:02.195 Defense Committees. 00:09:02.895 --> 00:09:04.245 And all these were, 00:09:04.245 --> 00:09:05.755 and the, this is a 00:09:05.755 --> 00:09:07.695 key event in modern 00:09:07.695 --> 00:09:08.565 Polish history. 00:09:08.795 --> 00:09:09.735 The Workers' Defense 00:09:09.735 --> 00:09:10.445 Committee was 00:09:10.455 --> 00:09:12.515 i- in Polish is 00:09:12.515 --> 00:09:14.175 abbreviated KOR. 00:09:14.185 --> 00:09:15.035 So if we start- 00:09:15.085 --> 00:09:15.776 all of a sudden 00:09:15.776 --> 00:09:16.915 referring to KOR, 00:09:16.915 --> 00:09:18.335 people will know 00:09:18.335 --> 00:09:19.075 to think of these 00:09:19.075 --> 00:09:20.095 worker committees. 00:09:20.135 --> 00:09:20.415 But 00:09:22.765 --> 00:09:24.835 the KOR basically did 00:09:24.845 --> 00:09:25.805 nothing but collect 00:09:25.815 --> 00:09:27.386 money, funds, for 00:09:27.386 --> 00:09:28.305 people having to 00:09:28.305 --> 00:09:29.285 defend themselves 00:09:29.315 --> 00:09:30.245 in court against 00:09:30.245 --> 00:09:30.895 the government. 00:09:31.205 --> 00:09:31.895 And if they were 00:09:31.895 --> 00:09:32.865 sentenced to prison 00:09:32.875 --> 00:09:35.116 for dissent, the 00:09:35.116 --> 00:09:35.925 money was used 00:09:35.925 --> 00:09:36.875 to help support 00:09:36.876 --> 00:09:37.516 their families. 00:09:37.525 --> 00:09:38.925 So it began as a 00:09:38.936 --> 00:09:40.255 grassroots movement. 00:09:40.915 --> 00:09:43.905 And from that, a 00:09:43.906 --> 00:09:44.745 very interesting 00:09:44.745 --> 00:09:45.345 thing happened. 00:09:45.635 --> 00:09:47.546 They decided to study 00:09:48.236 --> 00:09:49.945 how and why their 00:09:49.965 --> 00:09:51.475 previous efforts at 00:09:51.495 --> 00:09:53.106 dissent had failed, 00:09:54.096 --> 00:09:54.670 and that's where- 00:09:55.025 --> 00:09:55.855 it really begins 00:09:55.855 --> 00:09:57.475 to get interesting. 00:09:58.465 --> 00:09:59.835 Because they came 00:09:59.835 --> 00:10:02.155 up with a very, 00:10:04.357 --> 00:10:05.027 I don't know how 00:10:05.027 --> 00:10:06.617 else to put it Elza, 00:10:06.657 --> 00:10:07.477 other than they 00:10:07.477 --> 00:10:08.757 came up with a 00:10:08.767 --> 00:10:10.087 brilliant formula 00:10:10.457 --> 00:10:11.667 a brilliant basic 00:10:11.667 --> 00:10:13.587 formula on how to 00:10:13.587 --> 00:10:14.947 confront a tyrannical 00:10:14.957 --> 00:10:15.527 government. 00:10:16.087 --> 00:10:16.917 It's just- really 00:10:16.917 --> 00:10:17.587 very interesting. 00:10:17.807 --> 00:10:19.117 But it kinda evolved. 00:10:19.737 --> 00:10:19.987 Yes. 00:10:20.017 --> 00:10:20.547 And that's the 00:10:20.547 --> 00:10:21.577 other thing to 00:10:21.577 --> 00:10:22.247 bear in mind. 00:10:22.257 --> 00:10:23.077 This was not a 00:10:23.077 --> 00:10:24.837 top-down centralized 00:10:24.847 --> 00:10:25.567 solution. 00:10:25.957 --> 00:10:26.627 This was a bunch 00:10:26.627 --> 00:10:27.667 of these committees 00:10:27.687 --> 00:10:28.707 throughout Poland 00:10:29.307 --> 00:10:31.357 that were feeling 00:10:31.357 --> 00:10:32.927 their way forward 00:10:33.037 --> 00:10:33.957 and trying to figure 00:10:33.957 --> 00:10:34.557 out what to do, 00:10:34.557 --> 00:10:35.427 but they were also 00:10:35.427 --> 00:10:36.547 talking to other 00:10:37.017 --> 00:10:38.107 committees like this 00:10:38.117 --> 00:10:38.867 throughout Poland. 00:10:38.887 --> 00:10:39.477 So there was 00:10:39.477 --> 00:10:40.427 a network- 00:10:41.497 --> 00:10:42.387 But it was never 00:10:42.387 --> 00:10:43.397 centralized. 00:10:43.787 --> 00:10:44.667 So the government 00:10:45.217 --> 00:10:46.277 the government had 00:10:46.287 --> 00:10:47.247 their hands on all 00:10:47.247 --> 00:10:48.627 the levers of power, 00:10:48.907 --> 00:10:49.608 but they never- 00:10:49.637 --> 00:10:50.527 knew where the 00:10:50.537 --> 00:10:51.578 target was because 00:10:51.578 --> 00:10:52.447 there wasn't one. 00:10:53.977 --> 00:10:54.497 That's very 00:10:54.497 --> 00:10:55.277 smart, too. 00:10:55.627 --> 00:10:55.887 Yes. 00:10:55.897 --> 00:10:57.107 So before we go 00:10:57.107 --> 00:10:58.917 to their very 00:10:58.927 --> 00:11:00.467 smart formula, so 00:11:00.487 --> 00:11:01.307 what you mentioned, 00:11:01.307 --> 00:11:02.357 there was a trigger. 00:11:03.217 --> 00:11:03.847 So the trigger 00:11:03.847 --> 00:11:04.697 was these price 00:11:04.697 --> 00:11:05.817 in- increases. 00:11:06.037 --> 00:11:06.387 Yes. 00:11:06.387 --> 00:11:07.487 And so I was 00:11:07.637 --> 00:11:08.587 reading this other 00:11:08.588 --> 00:11:09.797 book on nonviolent 00:11:09.798 --> 00:11:10.927 revolutions, and 00:11:10.927 --> 00:11:11.507 there's- almost 00:11:11.577 --> 00:11:12.507 always a trigger. 00:11:12.527 --> 00:11:13.018 And the list- 00:11:13.018 --> 00:11:13.527 Yes … that they 00:11:13.777 --> 00:11:15.397 gave was economic 00:11:15.427 --> 00:11:16.568 decline, so that can 00:11:16.568 --> 00:11:16.987 be- Yeah … also 00:11:17.658 --> 00:11:18.657 the price increases, 00:11:19.107 --> 00:11:20.207 moral shock, or 00:11:20.207 --> 00:11:21.097 new political 00:11:21.097 --> 00:11:21.987 opportunity. 00:11:22.377 --> 00:11:23.507 So I'm thinking of 00:11:23.537 --> 00:11:25.187 the Epstein sign 00:11:25.217 --> 00:11:27.227 release, or- in this 00:11:27.228 --> 00:11:28.307 case, the political 00:11:28.307 --> 00:11:29.408 opportunity could 00:11:29.408 --> 00:11:30.057 be the death of 00:11:30.067 --> 00:11:31.057 Stalin, like in the- 00:11:31.067 --> 00:11:32.287 yes … in the past. 00:11:33.537 --> 00:11:35.457 Divided elites or e- 00:11:35.577 --> 00:11:36.917 elite ef- defections. 00:11:38.298 --> 00:11:40.707 And perhaps you 00:11:40.707 --> 00:11:41.637 can count Robert 00:11:41.647 --> 00:11:42.358 Kennedy under 00:11:42.358 --> 00:11:43.647 that a little bit. 00:11:43.798 --> 00:11:44.567 I'm not sure. 00:11:45.287 --> 00:11:46.527 And free spaces 00:11:46.527 --> 00:11:47.607 to meet, often 00:11:47.607 --> 00:11:48.357 in churches. 00:11:48.877 --> 00:11:49.227 Yes. 00:11:49.267 --> 00:11:50.647 And when I was 00:11:50.697 --> 00:11:51.987 thinking about these, 00:11:52.017 --> 00:11:53.717 then I think for at 00:11:53.717 --> 00:11:54.797 least a decade or 00:11:54.798 --> 00:11:55.958 longer, we already 00:11:55.967 --> 00:11:57.047 have very fertile 00:11:57.057 --> 00:11:59.297 soil for the start 00:11:59.307 --> 00:12:01.027 of a revolution. 00:12:01.097 --> 00:12:01.827 Would that be your 00:12:01.827 --> 00:12:02.877 assessment as well? 00:12:04.575 --> 00:12:07.875 Yes, but with a 00:12:07.885 --> 00:12:09.115 very large caveat. 00:12:12.025 --> 00:12:13.005 And that would be 00:12:13.005 --> 00:12:15.055 that in Poland's case 00:12:16.285 --> 00:12:17.145 this is why we have 00:12:17.145 --> 00:12:18.005 to be careful because 00:12:18.015 --> 00:12:18.695 what we're ha- what 00:12:18.695 --> 00:12:19.495 we're having to do is 00:12:19.495 --> 00:12:20.535 translate something 00:12:21.805 --> 00:12:22.565 from Polish 00:12:22.605 --> 00:12:23.685 literally into- Yeah 00:12:23.915 --> 00:12:25.405 into Western European 00:12:25.405 --> 00:12:26.185 and American. 00:12:26.665 --> 00:12:27.785 Because in Poland's 00:12:27.785 --> 00:12:28.175 case, you're 00:12:28.175 --> 00:12:28.825 dealing with a 00:12:28.825 --> 00:12:30.665 totalitarian state. 00:12:31.845 --> 00:12:32.835 The problem in 00:12:32.835 --> 00:12:35.695 the West is we're 00:12:35.695 --> 00:12:36.765 dealing not only 00:12:36.766 --> 00:12:38.135 with an increasingly 00:12:38.175 --> 00:12:40.035 totalitarian state, 00:12:40.855 --> 00:12:42.515 but that state in 00:12:42.535 --> 00:12:45.515 turn is submissive 00:12:45.515 --> 00:12:46.665 to, for want of a 00:12:46.665 --> 00:12:47.495 better expression, 00:12:47.505 --> 00:12:49.095 an extraterritorial 00:12:49.135 --> 00:12:50.545 international state 00:12:51.175 --> 00:12:52.055 that we can call 00:12:52.065 --> 00:12:53.435 globaloney, the 00:12:53.685 --> 00:12:55.235 globalism, deep 00:12:55.235 --> 00:12:56.275 state, whatever 00:12:56.275 --> 00:12:56.995 you wanna call. 00:12:57.005 --> 00:12:57.615 I call it the 00:12:57.615 --> 00:12:58.835 Nazi international 00:12:59.085 --> 00:12:59.615 because they're a 00:12:59.615 --> 00:13:00.845 bunch of fascists. 00:13:01.665 --> 00:13:02.835 But you're 00:13:02.845 --> 00:13:04.085 looking at all of 00:13:04.085 --> 00:13:05.785 these independent 00:13:05.795 --> 00:13:06.415 governments, 00:13:06.435 --> 00:13:07.435 quasi-independent 00:13:07.475 --> 00:13:08.145 governments that 00:13:08.146 --> 00:13:08.905 are answering to 00:13:08.905 --> 00:13:11.645 an ideology that is 00:13:11.725 --> 00:13:12.965 funded and backed 00:13:12.975 --> 00:13:14.446 by people embedded 00:13:14.455 --> 00:13:15.825 very deeply in, 00:13:15.896 --> 00:13:16.895 in the networks of 00:13:16.896 --> 00:13:18.325 power in the West. 00:13:18.746 --> 00:13:19.195 That's the 00:13:19.195 --> 00:13:20.025 second problem. 00:13:20.345 --> 00:13:21.345 The third problem 00:13:21.365 --> 00:13:22.805 is that much of the 00:13:22.815 --> 00:13:25.875 policy that is being 00:13:25.875 --> 00:13:27.745 set culturally in 00:13:27.746 --> 00:13:28.855 the West is being 00:13:28.856 --> 00:13:30.505 run not by government 00:13:30.545 --> 00:13:33.285 but by think tanks, 00:13:33.365 --> 00:13:34.365 corporations, 00:13:34.385 --> 00:13:35.045 in other words, 00:13:35.125 --> 00:13:36.995 non-state actors. 00:13:37.985 --> 00:13:39.395 So in Poland, they 00:13:39.395 --> 00:13:40.895 had an easy target. 00:13:40.905 --> 00:13:41.465 That was the 00:13:41.465 --> 00:13:41.975 government. 00:13:43.385 --> 00:13:44.825 In the West, our 00:13:44.825 --> 00:13:47.655 target is multifold. 00:13:47.665 --> 00:13:48.465 It's government, 00:13:48.805 --> 00:13:50.795 it's these deep deep 00:13:50.795 --> 00:13:51.945 state interests or 00:13:51.985 --> 00:13:53.265 globaloney interests 00:13:53.265 --> 00:13:53.855 or whatever you 00:13:53.856 --> 00:13:54.585 want to call them, 00:13:54.905 --> 00:13:55.685 and then finally 00:13:55.685 --> 00:13:56.805 you have these 00:13:56.845 --> 00:13:58.715 corporations pushing 00:13:58.725 --> 00:13:59.605 those kinds of 00:13:59.765 --> 00:14:01.165 ideological agendas. 00:14:01.425 --> 00:14:02.445 So we've got a 00:14:02.455 --> 00:14:03.395 threefold target, 00:14:03.425 --> 00:14:04.195 whereas Poland 00:14:04.195 --> 00:14:05.025 only had one. 00:14:05.975 --> 00:14:06.976 So that's my big 00:14:06.985 --> 00:14:08.815 caveat that, that… 00:14:09.075 --> 00:14:09.875 But nonetheless, 00:14:09.875 --> 00:14:11.115 I think that what 00:14:11.115 --> 00:14:13.426 the Poles did- and 00:14:13.426 --> 00:14:14.575 how they addressed 00:14:14.576 --> 00:14:15.355 their problems with 00:14:15.356 --> 00:14:16.055 the government is 00:14:16.125 --> 00:14:17.995 easily adaptable 00:14:18.065 --> 00:14:18.876 to those three 00:14:18.876 --> 00:14:20.535 targets in the West. 00:14:21.645 --> 00:14:22.845 Exactly, because what 00:14:22.845 --> 00:14:23.806 I'm also thinking 00:14:23.815 --> 00:14:25.235 is I think you or 00:14:25.235 --> 00:14:26.236 Zuzovsky writes 00:14:26.236 --> 00:14:26.955 this somewhere, that 00:14:26.955 --> 00:14:27.805 the Polish at some 00:14:27.805 --> 00:14:28.686 point recognized 00:14:28.705 --> 00:14:30.285 that they were not 00:14:30.315 --> 00:14:31.285 so much battling 00:14:31.285 --> 00:14:32.796 the state, but- Yes 00:14:32.805 --> 00:14:34.125 a foreign ideology. 00:14:34.485 --> 00:14:34.985 Yes. 00:14:35.225 --> 00:14:35.725 All right. 00:14:35.826 --> 00:14:35.866 And I- 00:14:36.475 --> 00:14:36.845 Yeah. 00:14:37.395 --> 00:14:39.985 I, the this is key, 00:14:39.985 --> 00:14:41.745 and I even wrote 00:14:42.076 --> 00:14:42.956 I printed out your 00:14:42.956 --> 00:14:43.865 outline and I wrote 00:14:43.865 --> 00:14:44.686 a bunch of notes. 00:14:47.205 --> 00:14:48.395 So yeah I wanted 00:14:48.395 --> 00:14:49.055 to make sure and 00:14:49.065 --> 00:14:50.055 stress this, and 00:14:50.055 --> 00:14:51.025 I'm glad you raised 00:14:51.025 --> 00:14:53.939 it because- First 00:14:53.939 --> 00:14:55.009 of all and I'm 00:14:55.009 --> 00:14:55.779 gonna, I'm gonna 00:14:55.779 --> 00:14:58.449 read exactly what I 00:14:58.459 --> 00:15:00.809 said in my webinar 00:15:00.859 --> 00:15:01.949 on my website- that 00:15:01.949 --> 00:15:02.789 you referred to. 00:15:02.789 --> 00:15:03.729 I'm gonna read it 00:15:03.769 --> 00:15:05.739 because I really 00:15:05.779 --> 00:15:06.689 don't think I can 00:15:06.689 --> 00:15:09.589 improve upon what 00:15:09.589 --> 00:15:11.519 I said based on 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:12.889 Zazowski's book. 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:15.479 So here's 00:15:15.479 --> 00:15:16.069 what I said. 00:15:16.079 --> 00:15:17.349 "If one looks at the 00:15:17.349 --> 00:15:19.439 pattern of Polish 00:15:19.439 --> 00:15:20.669 dissent leading up 00:15:20.669 --> 00:15:22.049 to and including 00:15:22.059 --> 00:15:24.439 the KOR, this 00:15:24.439 --> 00:15:25.729 dissent follows the 00:15:25.729 --> 00:15:28.109 principle of showing 00:15:28.110 --> 00:15:29.569 that the occupying 00:15:29.739 --> 00:15:30.389 ideology…" 00:15:30.389 --> 00:15:31.569 Now, translate that 00:15:31.569 --> 00:15:33.049 into the West of 00:15:33.049 --> 00:15:34.269 those three targets, 00:15:34.309 --> 00:15:35.369 the government, the 00:15:35.369 --> 00:15:36.839 deep state, and the 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:38.199 corporate think 00:15:38.239 --> 00:15:39.189 tank interests. 00:15:40.409 --> 00:15:41.519 They followed … The 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:42.419 dissent followed the 00:15:42.419 --> 00:15:43.369 principle of showing 00:15:43.369 --> 00:15:44.539 that the occupying 00:15:44.729 --> 00:15:47.009 ideology is incapable 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:48.459 of government. 00:15:49.049 --> 00:15:50.049 Notice they're 00:15:50.049 --> 00:15:51.209 not challenging 00:15:51.209 --> 00:15:52.619 the legitimacy- 00:15:53.489 --> 00:15:54.519 Of the government. 00:15:55.129 --> 00:15:55.609 That's a 00:15:55.609 --> 00:15:56.429 different thing. 00:15:57.349 --> 00:15:58.189 So they never 00:15:58.189 --> 00:15:59.449 directly confront 00:15:59.450 --> 00:16:00.789 the legitimacy 00:16:01.259 --> 00:16:02.199 of the communist 00:16:02.209 --> 00:16:03.780 government in Warsaw. 00:16:04.149 --> 00:16:05.409 They just allow it to 00:16:05.419 --> 00:16:06.699 become increasingly 00:16:06.729 --> 00:16:07.769 irrelevant and 00:16:07.770 --> 00:16:08.440 incompetent. 00:16:09.419 --> 00:16:09.969 Okay? 00:16:10.539 --> 00:16:11.999 So they never 00:16:12.380 --> 00:16:13.139 … They show the 00:16:13.139 --> 00:16:14.389 occupying ideology 00:16:14.389 --> 00:16:15.239 is incapable of 00:16:15.239 --> 00:16:15.959 government because 00:16:15.959 --> 00:16:16.679 number one, it's 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:18.919 incompetent, and 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:19.820 number two, this 00:16:19.820 --> 00:16:20.730 is the key point, 00:16:21.219 --> 00:16:22.870 it is incompetent 00:16:22.889 --> 00:16:25.049 because it adheres to 00:16:25.049 --> 00:16:27.109 values, principles, 00:16:27.139 --> 00:16:28.139 and policies 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:29.799 that are hostile 00:16:29.849 --> 00:16:30.550 to the general 00:16:30.579 --> 00:16:32.609 culture and do not 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:34.200 emerge from it. 00:16:35.909 --> 00:16:36.949 That's the key. 00:16:37.979 --> 00:16:39.079 Because of this, 00:16:39.119 --> 00:16:40.349 a third goal 00:16:40.359 --> 00:16:41.909 or principle is 00:16:41.909 --> 00:16:43.539 implicit, namely 00:16:44.179 --> 00:16:44.829 showing that 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:45.630 governmental 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:46.599 authorities are 00:16:46.599 --> 00:16:47.989 not part of the 00:16:47.989 --> 00:16:49.189 general culture, 00:16:50.049 --> 00:16:50.989 and therefore 00:16:51.020 --> 00:16:52.240 are incapable 00:16:52.259 --> 00:16:53.239 of governing it. 00:16:53.259 --> 00:16:54.009 Now, that's 00:16:54.059 --> 00:16:56.139 tailor-made- … for 00:16:56.139 --> 00:16:57.209 modern Western 00:16:57.209 --> 00:16:58.179 Europe and modern 00:16:58.189 --> 00:17:00.299 America and Canada 00:17:00.489 --> 00:17:02.629 case basket case 00:17:02.629 --> 00:17:03.549 in point here. 00:17:04.829 --> 00:17:05.849 Because you're 00:17:05.849 --> 00:17:07.589 watching an elite 00:17:08.579 --> 00:17:09.819 a technocratic 00:17:09.849 --> 00:17:11.759 elite ignore 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:13.239 every traditional 00:17:13.250 --> 00:17:15.119 virtue of the 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:16.219 traditional culture 00:17:16.239 --> 00:17:17.989 and attempt to ram 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:19.659 what looks to me like 00:17:19.659 --> 00:17:21.219 a Gramscian Marxist 00:17:22.069 --> 00:17:23.799 cultural ideology 00:17:23.829 --> 00:17:24.899 down everybody's 00:17:24.909 --> 00:17:26.060 throat, and that's 00:17:26.060 --> 00:17:27.029 why they're not able 00:17:27.030 --> 00:17:28.309 to govern, because 00:17:28.429 --> 00:17:29.249 people don't want it. 00:17:30.619 --> 00:17:31.029 Exactly. 00:17:33.829 --> 00:17:34.519 Exactly. 00:17:34.529 --> 00:17:35.419 So that's actually 00:17:35.419 --> 00:17:36.219 a very striking 00:17:36.219 --> 00:17:37.179 parallel, I think 00:17:37.869 --> 00:17:39.739 Yeah and once 00:17:39.739 --> 00:17:41.069 you've identified, 00:17:41.249 --> 00:17:42.079 once you're able 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:42.919 to say that we're 00:17:42.919 --> 00:17:43.879 not challenging 00:17:43.889 --> 00:17:45.839 the legitimacy or 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:47.069 the legality of 00:17:47.069 --> 00:17:47.689 the government, 00:17:47.699 --> 00:17:48.339 we're not a bunch 00:17:48.339 --> 00:17:49.139 of anarchists. 00:17:49.169 --> 00:17:49.689 We're not Bukharin 00:17:50.199 --> 00:17:51.829 out here having our 00:17:51.859 --> 00:17:53.419 a- our anarchist 00:17:53.419 --> 00:17:55.639 revolution in 1848. 00:17:55.639 --> 00:17:56.019 That's not what 00:17:56.019 --> 00:17:56.679 we're doing. 00:17:58.539 --> 00:17:59.069 What we're 00:17:59.069 --> 00:18:00.169 really saying is, 00:18:00.179 --> 00:18:01.059 "You people are 00:18:01.069 --> 00:18:02.419 incompetent. You 00:18:02.419 --> 00:18:03.189 cannot govern." 00:18:03.189 --> 00:18:05.329 Now- that's the 00:18:05.339 --> 00:18:06.820 basic strategy. 00:18:06.879 --> 00:18:07.960 So let's talk about 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:09.160 the tactics that, 00:18:09.309 --> 00:18:11.699 that the KOR, and 00:18:11.699 --> 00:18:12.559 then subsequently 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:13.769 Solidarity and all 00:18:13.769 --> 00:18:15.489 these movements used. 00:18:16.389 --> 00:18:17.389 Before we go into 00:18:17.389 --> 00:18:18.669 the tac- tactics, one 00:18:18.669 --> 00:18:19.400 thing that I would 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:20.539 like to discuss too 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:22.539 is because l- like 00:18:22.539 --> 00:18:23.919 you mentioned, KOR 00:18:24.689 --> 00:18:25.519 the Workers' Defense 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:26.859 Committee, they 00:18:26.889 --> 00:18:28.009 analyzed what worked 00:18:28.009 --> 00:18:28.819 and what did not. 00:18:29.109 --> 00:18:29.379 Yes. 00:18:29.459 --> 00:18:30.629 And I found very 00:18:30.629 --> 00:18:31.709 interesting what 00:18:31.739 --> 00:18:32.349 they, how they 00:18:32.379 --> 00:18:33.219 identify what 00:18:33.239 --> 00:18:34.119 did not work. 00:18:34.329 --> 00:18:35.739 Because I find that's 00:18:35.739 --> 00:18:36.729 a lot of things that 00:18:36.729 --> 00:18:37.819 people are doing now. 00:18:38.299 --> 00:18:38.949 And they do it 00:18:39.369 --> 00:18:39.859 consistently. 00:18:40.429 --> 00:18:41.269 And then they say, 00:18:41.270 --> 00:18:42.269 "It's all hopeless 00:18:42.270 --> 00:18:43.690 and useless, and 00:18:44.049 --> 00:18:44.629 we shouldn't do 00:18:44.669 --> 00:18:45.630 anything anymore." 00:18:45.630 --> 00:18:46.929 So yeah, what 00:18:46.929 --> 00:18:47.950 did they identify 00:18:47.979 --> 00:18:49.219 what did not work? 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:50.769 This is part of 00:18:50.770 --> 00:18:51.699 the tactics that 00:18:51.729 --> 00:18:52.529 I was getting to. 00:18:52.549 --> 00:18:54.059 The- Yeah … What 00:18:54.059 --> 00:18:55.580 they figured out 00:18:55.590 --> 00:18:57.669 was several things. 00:18:58.479 --> 00:19:00.750 Number one, by 00:19:00.750 --> 00:19:01.809 not attacking the 00:19:01.809 --> 00:19:02.799 legitimacy of the 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:03.559 government, but 00:19:03.609 --> 00:19:06.349 only the competence 00:19:06.379 --> 00:19:07.269 or value of 00:19:07.270 --> 00:19:08.900 particular policy. 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:10.909 That was key. 00:19:11.129 --> 00:19:11.749 So in other words, 00:19:11.749 --> 00:19:12.699 you're you don't 00:19:12.700 --> 00:19:13.389 have to present 00:19:13.389 --> 00:19:14.379 yourself as being 00:19:14.379 --> 00:19:16.199 in opposition to 00:19:16.199 --> 00:19:16.649 the government. 00:19:16.660 --> 00:19:17.039 All you're 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:17.699 doing is you're 00:19:17.699 --> 00:19:18.929 questioning a policy. 00:19:19.840 --> 00:19:20.040 Yes. 00:19:21.439 --> 00:19:22.439 By questioning the 00:19:22.439 --> 00:19:23.769 policy, the other 00:19:23.770 --> 00:19:24.660 tactic is you're 00:19:24.669 --> 00:19:25.820 trying to show 00:19:26.020 --> 00:19:26.289 the incompetence 00:19:26.989 --> 00:19:27.669 of the government 00:19:27.709 --> 00:19:28.509 in driving the 00:19:28.509 --> 00:19:29.899 policy, or whoever 00:19:30.209 --> 00:19:31.489 whatever corporation 00:19:31.499 --> 00:19:32.419 or think tank is 00:19:32.419 --> 00:19:33.479 driving the policy. 00:19:34.239 --> 00:19:35.659 But then the third 00:19:35.689 --> 00:19:36.250 thing that they 00:19:36.250 --> 00:19:37.419 recognized, and this 00:19:37.419 --> 00:19:38.969 is a key part of what 00:19:38.969 --> 00:19:39.879 you're saying, what 00:19:39.879 --> 00:19:40.649 you're getting at, 00:19:41.069 --> 00:19:42.339 that they recognized 00:19:42.380 --> 00:19:43.309 that previous 00:19:43.309 --> 00:19:44.209 dissent efforts 00:19:44.210 --> 00:19:45.039 had not worked. 00:19:45.579 --> 00:19:47.439 Because the message 00:19:48.660 --> 00:19:50.119 quit being addressed 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:51.099 to the government. 00:19:51.189 --> 00:19:52.419 You're in, in, 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:55.600 in addressing a 00:19:55.609 --> 00:19:56.679 policy, what they're 00:19:56.679 --> 00:19:57.709 really trying to 00:19:57.710 --> 00:19:59.589 do while they're 00:19:59.589 --> 00:20:01.029 pretending to address 00:20:01.029 --> 00:20:01.609 the government, 00:20:01.660 --> 00:20:02.359 they're really 00:20:02.389 --> 00:20:03.889 addressing the people 00:20:05.327 --> 00:20:06.567 That's the key. 00:20:07.047 --> 00:20:07.997 So in other words, 00:20:09.037 --> 00:20:10.057 they figured out 00:20:10.077 --> 00:20:11.267 that dissent doesn't 00:20:11.267 --> 00:20:12.617 work if you're trying 00:20:12.627 --> 00:20:14.647 to change it from 00:20:14.647 --> 00:20:15.947 within the system. 00:20:16.487 --> 00:20:17.087 Okay? 00:20:17.937 --> 00:20:19.257 That doesn't work. 00:20:20.197 --> 00:20:21.157 But you're still 00:20:21.157 --> 00:20:22.367 pretending to do 00:20:22.367 --> 00:20:23.717 that, all the while 00:20:23.717 --> 00:20:24.807 you're simply putting 00:20:24.807 --> 00:20:25.617 out the message, 00:20:25.797 --> 00:20:27.097 "This policy is 00:20:27.097 --> 00:20:28.517 bad. The people 00:20:28.517 --> 00:20:29.367 administering it 00:20:29.397 --> 00:20:30.297 are not part of 00:20:30.297 --> 00:20:31.887 the culture. We 00:20:31.887 --> 00:20:32.797 understand that 00:20:32.817 --> 00:20:33.997 this is what you out 00:20:33.997 --> 00:20:35.227 there re- want and 00:20:35.227 --> 00:20:36.847 represent, and we're 00:20:36.847 --> 00:20:37.607 simply trying to 00:20:37.607 --> 00:20:39.417 reflect what you guys 00:20:39.697 --> 00:20:41.007 you common everyday 00:20:41.007 --> 00:20:43.537 Poles want, and 00:20:43.578 --> 00:20:44.388 we're simply trying 00:20:44.388 --> 00:20:45.387 to represent that 00:20:45.398 --> 00:20:45.967 to the government." 00:20:46.037 --> 00:20:46.417 Exactly. 00:20:47.297 --> 00:20:48.387 That's the key. 00:20:48.547 --> 00:20:49.607 That's the key. 00:20:50.707 --> 00:20:51.638 So in other words 00:20:53.357 --> 00:20:54.418 if we were to do 00:20:54.418 --> 00:20:56.627 that now, we would 00:20:56.687 --> 00:20:57.897 quit worrying about 00:20:57.907 --> 00:20:58.597 whether or not 00:20:58.597 --> 00:20:59.227 the government's 00:20:59.227 --> 00:20:59.887 responding. 00:20:59.887 --> 00:21:01.197 We just keep talking. 00:21:02.817 --> 00:21:03.227 Yes. 00:21:03.597 --> 00:21:04.257 We just keep 00:21:04.287 --> 00:21:06.267 talking and letting 00:21:06.277 --> 00:21:07.127 things grow. 00:21:07.157 --> 00:21:08.227 And then the s- the 00:21:08.297 --> 00:21:09.597 fourth thing that 00:21:09.597 --> 00:21:10.468 they figured out 00:21:11.557 --> 00:21:13.317 was they had, at 00:21:13.328 --> 00:21:14.968 some point, to, to 00:21:15.008 --> 00:21:17.967 understand that mere 00:21:17.977 --> 00:21:19.997 mass, mere numbers 00:21:20.048 --> 00:21:21.308 are not sufficient. 00:21:22.627 --> 00:21:24.217 You have to have the 00:21:24.217 --> 00:21:25.937 major, as you put it 00:21:27.137 --> 00:21:28.317 the defectors, the 00:21:28.328 --> 00:21:30.437 major sole leaders- 00:21:31.938 --> 00:21:33.398 Of the country 00:21:33.407 --> 00:21:35.527 involved and part 00:21:35.527 --> 00:21:36.327 of the movement. 00:21:37.217 --> 00:21:38.177 So in other words 00:21:39.377 --> 00:21:40.087 let's go back to 00:21:40.087 --> 00:21:40.797 that period in 00:21:40.797 --> 00:21:41.807 Polish history when 00:21:41.807 --> 00:21:42.457 they're under the 00:21:42.457 --> 00:21:44.097 boot heel of Stalin's 00:21:44.597 --> 00:21:46.367 Warsaw Pact forces. 00:21:47.258 --> 00:21:48.777 And you've got 00:21:48.777 --> 00:21:49.717 Stefan Cardinal 00:21:49.717 --> 00:21:51.107 Wyszynski, Cardinal 00:21:51.107 --> 00:21:52.157 Archbishop of 00:21:52.157 --> 00:21:53.927 Warsaw, who was 00:21:53.927 --> 00:21:55.177 a national figure 00:21:55.177 --> 00:21:55.947 and a national 00:21:55.947 --> 00:21:57.127 hero in Poland. 00:21:57.557 --> 00:21:58.978 Well, Wyszynski, 00:21:58.987 --> 00:21:59.657 if you look at 00:21:59.657 --> 00:22:01.087 his career, he 00:22:01.087 --> 00:22:02.827 carefully avoided 00:22:03.417 --> 00:22:04.987 any direct political 00:22:04.987 --> 00:22:06.117 confrontation of 00:22:06.117 --> 00:22:06.677 the government. 00:22:07.078 --> 00:22:09.227 But once KOR came 00:22:09.227 --> 00:22:10.207 along and got 00:22:10.207 --> 00:22:11.517 started up and the 00:22:11.527 --> 00:22:13.047 movement expanded- 00:22:13.808 --> 00:22:15.547 He very quietly 00:22:15.547 --> 00:22:16.848 identified himself 00:22:16.868 --> 00:22:19.821 with it And when he 00:22:19.821 --> 00:22:21.381 started doing it, a 00:22:21.381 --> 00:22:22.761 lot of other Polish 00:22:22.761 --> 00:22:23.991 intellectuals came 00:22:23.991 --> 00:22:25.601 along too and started 00:22:25.601 --> 00:22:26.611 to identi- And what 00:22:26.621 --> 00:22:28.961 happened as a result 00:22:29.191 --> 00:22:30.201 was you had General 00:22:30.201 --> 00:22:31.571 Jaruzelski there 00:22:31.581 --> 00:22:33.651 in Warsaw with all 00:22:33.651 --> 00:22:34.781 of his hands on all 00:22:34.781 --> 00:22:35.831 the levers of power, 00:22:35.831 --> 00:22:36.741 and he was pushing 00:22:36.741 --> 00:22:37.281 and pulling the 00:22:37.281 --> 00:22:38.411 levers, and nothing 00:22:38.411 --> 00:22:39.081 was happening. 00:22:40.831 --> 00:22:41.751 Because the people 00:22:41.751 --> 00:22:42.991 were s- Okay, 00:22:42.991 --> 00:22:44.061 you're irrelevant. 00:22:44.411 --> 00:22:45.641 You're incompetent. 00:22:45.821 --> 00:22:47.101 You don't represent 00:22:47.151 --> 00:22:48.701 us, so we're 00:22:48.701 --> 00:22:49.681 ignoring you." 00:22:52.041 --> 00:22:54.641 So there's that 00:22:54.641 --> 00:22:55.771 moment where, yeah, 00:22:55.771 --> 00:22:57.021 we have to understand 00:22:57.021 --> 00:22:57.431 that we're gonna 00:22:57.431 --> 00:22:58.831 have to take action 00:22:59.261 --> 00:23:01.001 and absolutely defy 00:23:01.011 --> 00:23:01.652 the government. 00:23:01.661 --> 00:23:04.381 But it's only when we 00:23:04.381 --> 00:23:05.571 have enough numbers, 00:23:05.571 --> 00:23:06.321 we have enough 00:23:06.351 --> 00:23:08.761 cultural leaders 00:23:08.771 --> 00:23:11.671 also involved, and 00:23:12.381 --> 00:23:13.671 we have demonstrated 00:23:13.671 --> 00:23:15.311 the incompetence of 00:23:15.311 --> 00:23:16.452 the rooting, ruling 00:23:16.581 --> 00:23:18.011 ideology to rule. 00:23:18.701 --> 00:23:19.061 And we've 00:23:19.061 --> 00:23:19.931 demonstrated that 00:23:19.931 --> 00:23:20.951 incompetence not 00:23:20.961 --> 00:23:21.811 to the government. 00:23:21.821 --> 00:23:22.231 We're not 00:23:22.231 --> 00:23:23.121 interested in them. 00:23:23.131 --> 00:23:24.261 We're demonstrating 00:23:24.262 --> 00:23:24.442 the incompetence 00:23:25.141 --> 00:23:26.431 to everybody else. 00:23:29.639 --> 00:23:30.619 Exactly. 00:23:30.689 --> 00:23:32.099 So w- what I'm 00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:34.079 thinking too with 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:35.009 the thought leaders 00:23:35.009 --> 00:23:35.639 or spiritual 00:23:35.649 --> 00:23:37.179 leaders, if it's 00:23:37.179 --> 00:23:38.309 real spiritual 00:23:38.309 --> 00:23:40.129 leaders, that works. 00:23:41.309 --> 00:23:42.179 But what you see 00:23:42.179 --> 00:23:43.999 now is also, for 00:23:44.009 --> 00:23:45.519 example yeah, 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:46.689 here with Trump, 00:23:46.729 --> 00:23:48.209 with Elon Musk- or 00:23:48.209 --> 00:23:49.259 with Kennedy, is 00:23:49.259 --> 00:23:50.179 that people see 00:23:50.179 --> 00:23:51.139 them suddenly as 00:23:51.159 --> 00:23:51.929 leaders who are 00:23:51.929 --> 00:23:52.939 going to save us. 00:23:53.439 --> 00:23:54.039 And I think this 00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:54.819 is not the kind 00:23:54.819 --> 00:23:56.799 of leadership- no 00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:57.149 … we are looking for. 00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:00.359 This is the big 00:24:00.369 --> 00:24:01.189 problem that we 00:24:01.189 --> 00:24:02.530 have in America, 00:24:02.549 --> 00:24:03.689 and I would 00:24:03.689 --> 00:24:04.709 assume to a lesser 00:24:04.709 --> 00:24:05.620 extent in Europe. 00:24:05.629 --> 00:24:07.159 Although I think in 00:24:07.159 --> 00:24:09.409 Europe, looking at 00:24:09.409 --> 00:24:10.279 it from across the 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:11.289 pond where I'm at 00:24:14.199 --> 00:24:14.869 I think you're 00:24:14.869 --> 00:24:15.720 further down the 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:17.179 road than we are 00:24:17.179 --> 00:24:17.909 in this country 00:24:17.909 --> 00:24:18.909 to recognizing 00:24:18.909 --> 00:24:20.479 that, that the 00:24:20.479 --> 00:24:21.759 solutions are no 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:22.879 longer political. 00:24:23.849 --> 00:24:24.559 There's some people 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:25.149 that think that 00:24:25.149 --> 00:24:26.259 way, but I think 00:24:26.259 --> 00:24:27.509 increasingly in 00:24:27.509 --> 00:24:28.019 Europe you're 00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:28.959 recognizing that 00:24:28.969 --> 00:24:29.929 it's your entire 00:24:29.939 --> 00:24:30.949 civilization and 00:24:30.979 --> 00:24:32.669 culture that are 00:24:32.669 --> 00:24:33.589 at stake, not 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:34.949 just the politics. 00:24:35.180 --> 00:24:35.760 Exactly. 00:24:36.869 --> 00:24:38.049 In America, the 00:24:38.049 --> 00:24:40.210 problem is and 00:24:40.709 --> 00:24:41.439 this is why it's 00:24:41.439 --> 00:24:42.310 gonna be much more 00:24:42.310 --> 00:24:43.520 difficult here 00:24:43.739 --> 00:24:46.619 for, I think the 00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:47.870 following reasons. 00:24:47.979 --> 00:24:49.069 America is a 00:24:49.110 --> 00:24:50.469 process country. 00:24:52.110 --> 00:24:52.819 In other words, 00:24:52.860 --> 00:24:55.899 America was founded 00:24:55.909 --> 00:24:58.679 on a kind of implicit 00:24:58.699 --> 00:25:00.209 rejection of all 00:25:00.209 --> 00:25:01.049 that is tradition. 00:25:01.059 --> 00:25:01.570 In other words, 00:25:01.579 --> 00:25:02.430 all that bad 00:25:02.430 --> 00:25:03.529 European stuff. 00:25:03.949 --> 00:25:04.629 Okay? 00:25:05.809 --> 00:25:07.379 When in fact that's 00:25:07.629 --> 00:25:08.989 the popular mentality 00:25:09.360 --> 00:25:10.889 and therefore all 00:25:10.909 --> 00:25:12.039 divisions, all 00:25:12.069 --> 00:25:13.689 cultural divisions 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:16.349 are, particularly 00:25:16.349 --> 00:25:16.879 if they're of a 00:25:16.879 --> 00:25:18.119 religious nature 00:25:18.129 --> 00:25:19.430 i- in this country, 00:25:19.739 --> 00:25:20.929 all cultural 00:25:20.949 --> 00:25:21.809 distinction and 00:25:21.809 --> 00:25:23.569 division in America 00:25:23.610 --> 00:25:25.069 can be handled by 00:25:25.099 --> 00:25:26.549 a constitutional 00:25:26.819 --> 00:25:28.399 political process- 00:25:28.979 --> 00:25:30.679 that is supposedly 00:25:31.099 --> 00:25:31.959 scientific, 00:25:31.989 --> 00:25:32.829 mechanistic 00:25:32.849 --> 00:25:33.509 and neutral. 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:34.849 Our wonderful 00:25:34.849 --> 00:25:35.799 system of checks 00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:36.659 and balances. 00:25:37.219 --> 00:25:37.829 So we're gonna 00:25:37.830 --> 00:25:38.499 get through this 00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:39.440 cultural crisis 00:25:39.449 --> 00:25:40.589 simply by electing 00:25:40.589 --> 00:25:41.769 the right team. 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:43.719 Now, that is 00:25:44.349 --> 00:25:45.129 a technocratic 00:25:45.899 --> 00:25:47.279 answer to a 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:48.449 cultural problem. 00:25:49.419 --> 00:25:50.199 That's why it's 00:25:50.199 --> 00:25:51.409 never going to work 00:25:51.410 --> 00:25:52.389 in this country. 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:53.839 Americans 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:54.949 haven't woken up. 00:25:54.959 --> 00:25:55.840 Some are. 00:25:56.309 --> 00:25:57.019 Some are. 00:25:58.239 --> 00:25:59.529 And it's interesting, 00:25:59.539 --> 00:26:00.620 since Trump's second 00:26:00.649 --> 00:26:01.829 election, more and 00:26:01.830 --> 00:26:02.729 more Americans, 00:26:02.750 --> 00:26:03.519 particularly on, 00:26:03.589 --> 00:26:04.339 on the political 00:26:04.339 --> 00:26:05.169 right in this 00:26:05.169 --> 00:26:06.319 country, are waking 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:07.859 up to that reality. 00:26:08.289 --> 00:26:08.849 I'm thinking of 00:26:08.849 --> 00:26:09.909 Tucker Carlson. 00:26:10.099 --> 00:26:11.919 You mentioned Robert 00:26:11.929 --> 00:26:13.869 Kennedy Jr. on the 00:26:13.869 --> 00:26:15.149 left- who's also, 00:26:15.149 --> 00:26:16.829 I think someone 00:26:16.830 --> 00:26:18.060 else who's woken up 00:26:18.149 --> 00:26:19.419 that this political 00:26:19.419 --> 00:26:20.560 process is not gonna 00:26:20.560 --> 00:26:22.625 solve anything But 00:26:22.625 --> 00:26:23.475 we're much further 00:26:23.475 --> 00:26:24.705 behind, I think, 00:26:24.715 --> 00:26:25.425 than you are in 00:26:25.425 --> 00:26:26.285 Europe because 00:26:26.285 --> 00:26:26.995 we don't have the 00:26:26.995 --> 00:26:30.115 same we don't have 00:26:30.115 --> 00:26:30.985 the same cultural 00:26:31.005 --> 00:26:31.715 institutions. 00:26:31.715 --> 00:26:32.405 Our cultural 00:26:32.415 --> 00:26:33.135 institutions 00:26:33.135 --> 00:26:33.985 were designed to 00:26:33.985 --> 00:26:35.145 resist culture. 00:26:37.495 --> 00:26:38.835 So that's 00:26:38.835 --> 00:26:39.575 the problem. 00:26:39.775 --> 00:26:41.925 But I think 00:26:41.925 --> 00:26:42.465 you're right. 00:26:43.485 --> 00:26:44.935 We are seeing 00:26:44.935 --> 00:26:45.665 this happen. 00:26:46.105 --> 00:26:47.405 We are seeing these 00:26:47.405 --> 00:26:49.055 leaders defecting 00:26:49.385 --> 00:26:51.435 and abandoning the, 00:26:51.975 --> 00:26:52.655 not so much the 00:26:52.805 --> 00:26:53.785 political process, 00:26:53.785 --> 00:26:54.915 but the political 00:26:54.916 --> 00:26:57.015 process as it has 00:26:57.015 --> 00:26:57.985 been defined for 00:26:57.986 --> 00:26:59.075 them to work within 00:27:00.807 --> 00:27:01.437 Exactly. 00:27:01.467 --> 00:27:02.587 But I think the 00:27:02.807 --> 00:27:03.937 very important point 00:27:03.937 --> 00:27:04.797 that you made is 00:27:04.797 --> 00:27:05.827 that you need these 00:27:05.827 --> 00:27:06.737 masses as well. 00:27:06.747 --> 00:27:07.777 They need each other. 00:27:07.777 --> 00:27:08.167 Yes. 00:27:08.167 --> 00:27:08.357 Yes. 00:27:08.707 --> 00:27:09.747 Because if it's just 00:27:09.757 --> 00:27:10.747 them, let… Because 00:27:10.747 --> 00:27:11.287 that's something 00:27:11.287 --> 00:27:12.067 that you see, too, 00:27:12.147 --> 00:27:13.247 as soon… Oh, 00:27:13.317 --> 00:27:14.117 s- for the doctors 00:27:14.117 --> 00:27:14.957 during COVID, there 00:27:14.957 --> 00:27:15.857 were very few- 00:27:15.887 --> 00:27:16.397 Yes … spoke out. 00:27:16.987 --> 00:27:17.127 Yes. 00:27:17.147 --> 00:27:18.017 But as soon as they 00:27:18.017 --> 00:27:19.067 do, they're canceled. 00:27:19.197 --> 00:27:20.477 And my sense- is now 00:27:20.477 --> 00:27:21.697 that every- everyone 00:27:21.707 --> 00:27:22.447 who really speaks 00:27:22.447 --> 00:27:24.587 out, then they become 00:27:24.627 --> 00:27:26.157 a persona non grata. 00:27:27.157 --> 00:27:28.177 So unless they 00:27:28.177 --> 00:27:28.987 get the support of 00:27:28.987 --> 00:27:30.527 the people then 00:27:30.667 --> 00:27:31.467 it doesn't work 00:27:31.467 --> 00:27:32.307 for them either. 00:27:34.217 --> 00:27:34.957 This is the other 00:27:34.957 --> 00:27:36.227 thing that that 00:27:36.918 --> 00:27:38.477 KOR did, and this 00:27:38.477 --> 00:27:39.387 is something that, 00:27:39.397 --> 00:27:40.987 that I'm glad 00:27:40.987 --> 00:27:41.597 you're bringing up. 00:27:41.607 --> 00:27:42.257 Because the other 00:27:42.258 --> 00:27:43.017 thing that KOR 00:27:43.047 --> 00:27:44.557 did is they not 00:27:44.577 --> 00:27:45.878 only identified 00:27:45.878 --> 00:27:46.677 the strategies 00:27:46.677 --> 00:27:47.447 and tactics, 00:27:47.947 --> 00:27:49.017 they identified 00:27:49.017 --> 00:27:49.767 the people they 00:27:49.767 --> 00:27:51.067 wanted to recruit. 00:27:53.277 --> 00:27:53.787 Okay? 00:27:54.297 --> 00:27:55.217 Now, that's not 00:27:55.237 --> 00:27:56.437 in, in Zazal- 00:27:56.517 --> 00:27:57.887 Zuvalowski's book 00:27:57.927 --> 00:27:59.087 that I talked about 00:27:59.097 --> 00:27:59.947 in that webinar. 00:28:00.457 --> 00:28:02.157 But if you read other 00:28:02.507 --> 00:28:03.587 coverage of that 00:28:03.587 --> 00:28:04.597 period in Polish 00:28:04.607 --> 00:28:06.128 history, they were 00:28:06.128 --> 00:28:07.008 very clear, "Oh 00:28:07.348 --> 00:28:08.847 we've got to get 00:28:09.007 --> 00:28:10.158 this person on board 00:28:10.158 --> 00:28:11.118 or that person on 00:28:11.118 --> 00:28:12.597 board. Or at least 00:28:12.607 --> 00:28:15.307 get them to be aware 00:28:15.307 --> 00:28:16.377 of our existence," 00:28:16.427 --> 00:28:16.927 and so on. 00:28:18.807 --> 00:28:20.757 I think that is, to 00:28:20.757 --> 00:28:21.687 a certain extent, 00:28:21.708 --> 00:28:22.837 already happening 00:28:22.848 --> 00:28:23.917 in this country. 00:28:26.397 --> 00:28:27.217 You've had some 00:28:27.227 --> 00:28:27.987 significant 00:28:27.987 --> 00:28:29.197 defections in 00:28:29.197 --> 00:28:31.208 the media in this 00:28:31.208 --> 00:28:32.788 country from Mr. 00:28:32.788 --> 00:28:35.017 Trump's MAGA agenda, 00:28:35.028 --> 00:28:36.147 whatever that is. 00:28:36.507 --> 00:28:36.757 Yes. 00:28:38.487 --> 00:28:39.427 Yeah, we can't figure 00:28:39.427 --> 00:28:40.347 it out, so that's why 00:28:40.348 --> 00:28:41.437 he's losing people, 00:28:42.137 --> 00:28:43.037 we can't figure out 00:28:43.037 --> 00:28:43.937 where he's going. 00:28:44.687 --> 00:28:45.097 But 00:28:48.447 --> 00:28:50.707 the ability to 00:28:51.757 --> 00:28:52.607 think in terms 00:28:52.607 --> 00:28:53.437 of recruitment. 00:28:53.447 --> 00:28:54.237 Who do we need? 00:28:54.507 --> 00:28:55.727 We need doctors 00:28:55.987 --> 00:28:56.737 who are willing to 00:28:56.737 --> 00:28:57.637 speak out against 00:28:57.637 --> 00:28:58.557 the vaccine. 00:28:58.977 --> 00:28:59.897 Oh, do you 00:28:59.897 --> 00:29:00.557 know of any? 00:29:00.767 --> 00:29:02.197 And s- and start 00:29:02.197 --> 00:29:03.007 that network 00:29:03.017 --> 00:29:04.627 communication process 00:29:04.907 --> 00:29:05.827 of, "Oh, I heard 00:29:05.827 --> 00:29:06.937 about this doctor. 00:29:07.217 --> 00:29:09.318 She's got a website 00:29:09.337 --> 00:29:10.368 in Arizona where 00:29:10.368 --> 00:29:10.968 she talks of…" 00:29:11.397 --> 00:29:12.397 And start putting 00:29:12.407 --> 00:29:13.427 the n- that kind of 00:29:13.427 --> 00:29:14.497 network together. 00:29:14.918 --> 00:29:15.917 We're seeing 00:29:15.918 --> 00:29:16.867 something like 00:29:16.867 --> 00:29:17.717 that happen. 00:29:17.847 --> 00:29:18.777 I don't know about 00:29:18.787 --> 00:29:19.707 Holland, but I- 00:29:19.897 --> 00:29:20.787 in this country, 00:29:20.787 --> 00:29:21.387 we're seeing 00:29:21.388 --> 00:29:22.267 something like that 00:29:22.278 --> 00:29:23.318 already happening 00:29:23.718 --> 00:29:24.968 with Zionism. 00:29:25.837 --> 00:29:26.467 There's now a 00:29:26.468 --> 00:29:27.857 website, an American 00:29:27.858 --> 00:29:28.687 website, where 00:29:28.687 --> 00:29:30.957 they're tracking APAC 00:29:30.987 --> 00:29:32.557 donations to every 00:29:32.557 --> 00:29:33.677 single political 00:29:33.677 --> 00:29:34.787 candidate in the 00:29:34.787 --> 00:29:36.087 entire country. 00:29:37.085 --> 00:29:38.025 This is a big 00:29:38.045 --> 00:29:38.875 country, and 00:29:38.875 --> 00:29:39.515 that's a lot of 00:29:39.525 --> 00:29:42.305 tracking to do. 00:29:42.315 --> 00:29:43.325 But somebody started 00:29:43.325 --> 00:29:43.965 this website. 00:29:44.475 --> 00:29:45.645 Imagine a similar 00:29:45.645 --> 00:29:47.595 website for doctors 00:29:47.595 --> 00:29:48.665 that supported and 00:29:48.675 --> 00:29:49.535 doctors that did 00:29:49.535 --> 00:29:50.605 not support COVID. 00:29:51.065 --> 00:29:51.505 Exactly. 00:29:53.265 --> 00:29:54.505 Imagine a similar 00:29:54.505 --> 00:29:57.005 website for teachers 00:29:57.005 --> 00:29:58.105 who are in favor 00:29:58.135 --> 00:29:59.105 of boys playing 00:29:59.385 --> 00:30:00.645 in women's sports 00:30:00.645 --> 00:30:01.655 and using women's 00:30:01.655 --> 00:30:02.835 bathrooms and all 00:30:02.835 --> 00:30:04.815 the other transgender 00:30:04.815 --> 00:30:06.455 nuttiness that 00:30:06.455 --> 00:30:07.545 we have going on 00:30:07.545 --> 00:30:08.075 in this country. 00:30:08.285 --> 00:30:09.145 Imagine that. 00:30:09.555 --> 00:30:11.155 And imagine then 00:30:11.165 --> 00:30:13.436 on top of that a, 00:30:13.545 --> 00:30:15.455 a decentralized 00:30:15.476 --> 00:30:16.395 group of people 00:30:16.415 --> 00:30:18.485 acting locally to 00:30:18.485 --> 00:30:19.475 challenge all of 00:30:19.476 --> 00:30:20.505 these policies. 00:30:21.195 --> 00:30:21.815 We're seeing 00:30:21.815 --> 00:30:22.955 something else happen 00:30:22.965 --> 00:30:24.285 in this country that 00:30:24.755 --> 00:30:25.915 I'm pleased to see, 00:30:25.935 --> 00:30:28.435 but I'm waiting for 00:30:29.125 --> 00:30:30.275 that instant, Elza, 00:30:30.295 --> 00:30:31.795 of c- of critical 00:30:31.795 --> 00:30:32.645 mass when people 00:30:32.645 --> 00:30:34.165 start- connecting 00:30:34.175 --> 00:30:35.006 all these movements, 00:30:35.015 --> 00:30:36.095 say, "Hey, we've 00:30:36.095 --> 00:30:36.885 got all these little 00:30:36.895 --> 00:30:37.785 movements about all 00:30:37.785 --> 00:30:38.635 these little issues. 00:30:38.785 --> 00:30:40.435 Let's try and get 00:30:40.435 --> 00:30:41.815 them together somehow 00:30:42.875 --> 00:30:43.875 and network them 00:30:43.875 --> 00:30:45.196 together." one of 00:30:45.205 --> 00:30:45.925 the movements that's 00:30:45.926 --> 00:30:46.895 happening right now 00:30:46.905 --> 00:30:47.715 in this country is 00:30:47.715 --> 00:30:48.865 local opposition 00:30:48.865 --> 00:30:50.135 to data centers. 00:30:51.515 --> 00:30:52.475 We're seeing people 00:30:52.485 --> 00:30:53.776 go into their local 00:30:53.816 --> 00:30:55.055 city councils or 00:30:55.055 --> 00:30:56.305 their county councils 00:30:57.066 --> 00:30:58.035 challenging these 00:30:58.035 --> 00:30:59.195 data centers and 00:30:59.195 --> 00:31:00.235 the power usage and 00:31:00.235 --> 00:31:01.185 so on and so forth. 00:31:02.106 --> 00:31:02.946 That has happened 00:31:02.946 --> 00:31:04.616 again spontaneously. 00:31:05.246 --> 00:31:05.276 Yes. 00:31:05.335 --> 00:31:06.365 So what I think 00:31:06.485 --> 00:31:07.505 needs to be done 00:31:07.525 --> 00:31:08.695 is, okay, we've got 00:31:08.695 --> 00:31:10.346 this going on, now 00:31:10.346 --> 00:31:11.475 let's coordinate 00:31:11.505 --> 00:31:12.635 all these issues. 00:31:12.665 --> 00:31:14.395 KOR, if you study the 00:31:14.395 --> 00:31:15.215 history in Poland, 00:31:15.426 --> 00:31:16.366 that's what they did. 00:31:18.355 --> 00:31:19.115 So it's very 00:31:19.115 --> 00:31:19.825 interesting that 00:31:19.825 --> 00:31:20.515 you say that. 00:31:20.515 --> 00:31:21.935 So I w- would like 00:31:21.935 --> 00:31:22.585 to say a little bit 00:31:22.595 --> 00:31:23.345 about my rec- recent 00:31:24.795 --> 00:31:26.325 research for Solari. 00:31:26.325 --> 00:31:29.295 So what I did is, So 00:31:29.295 --> 00:31:30.245 in the Netherlands, 00:31:30.355 --> 00:31:31.895 I reported a lot 00:31:31.945 --> 00:31:34.115 on how UN policies 00:31:34.165 --> 00:31:35.195 are translated 00:31:35.225 --> 00:31:36.595 into local policy. 00:31:37.225 --> 00:31:37.985 Because very often, 00:31:37.995 --> 00:31:39.085 local policy will 00:31:39.085 --> 00:31:40.455 not mention any 00:31:40.465 --> 00:31:41.705 UN convention. 00:31:41.905 --> 00:31:42.765 But that's why we 00:31:42.765 --> 00:31:43.605 are implementing it. 00:31:43.605 --> 00:31:43.705 That's 00:31:44.265 --> 00:31:44.435 right. 00:31:45.235 --> 00:31:47.445 And I saw, because 00:31:47.445 --> 00:31:48.075 I did a lot of 00:31:48.075 --> 00:31:49.205 reporting on local 00:31:49.205 --> 00:31:51.045 resistance, so I saw 00:31:51.045 --> 00:31:51.605 that when there's 00:31:51.605 --> 00:31:52.645 local resistance, 00:31:52.795 --> 00:31:53.595 that you can be 00:31:53.596 --> 00:31:54.685 very successful. 00:31:55.096 --> 00:31:55.276 Yes. 00:31:55.305 --> 00:31:56.375 But whenever I say 00:31:56.375 --> 00:31:57.525 this in interviews, 00:31:58.085 --> 00:31:59.255 then people say, "No, 00:31:59.255 --> 00:32:00.165 this is just, it's 00:32:00.165 --> 00:32:01.615 just local." it's 00:32:01.805 --> 00:32:03.266 just the municipal 00:32:03.266 --> 00:32:04.945 level." and why 00:32:04.985 --> 00:32:06.435 are you reporting 00:32:06.436 --> 00:32:07.725 suddenly on people 00:32:07.725 --> 00:32:08.945 who are angry about 00:32:08.945 --> 00:32:09.795 that their parking 00:32:09.795 --> 00:32:10.385 lots are being 00:32:10.395 --> 00:32:11.525 removed?" But they 00:32:11.525 --> 00:32:12.345 were successful in 00:32:12.346 --> 00:32:13.145 their resistance. 00:32:13.945 --> 00:32:14.845 And I thought, "No, 00:32:14.846 --> 00:32:15.465 but this is where 00:32:15.465 --> 00:32:16.255 it was happening." 00:32:16.255 --> 00:32:17.545 So I was having lunch 00:32:17.545 --> 00:32:18.705 with Catherine, and I 00:32:18.705 --> 00:32:20.055 was complaining and 00:32:20.055 --> 00:32:22.156 saying, "They don't 00:32:22.195 --> 00:32:23.065 understand this is 00:32:23.066 --> 00:32:24.126 where the opportunity 00:32:24.126 --> 00:32:24.355 is." Yeah. 00:32:24.365 --> 00:32:25.125 And Catherine said, 00:32:25.155 --> 00:32:25.505 "There needs to 00:32:25.636 --> 00:32:26.815 be a manual." Yes. 00:32:27.295 --> 00:32:28.435 So that manual, 00:32:28.445 --> 00:32:29.666 that is now, 00:32:29.675 --> 00:32:30.725 it's Mr. Global 00:32:30.725 --> 00:32:31.455 In Your Street. 00:32:32.035 --> 00:32:33.775 And basically I take 00:32:33.776 --> 00:32:36.225 the UN policy and 00:32:36.225 --> 00:32:36.905 then I say, "This 00:32:36.905 --> 00:32:37.855 is how you recognize 00:32:37.855 --> 00:32:40.025 it in your street." 00:32:40.026 --> 00:32:43.195 So when you w- when 00:32:43.195 --> 00:32:44.275 you talk about CORE, 00:32:44.285 --> 00:32:45.155 they said they, 00:32:45.185 --> 00:32:46.105 "We're focusing on 00:32:46.105 --> 00:32:47.055 policy now. We're 00:32:47.055 --> 00:32:48.385 not trying to topple 00:32:48.386 --> 00:32:49.165 the pol- the to- 00:32:49.375 --> 00:32:50.775 government, but we 00:32:50.776 --> 00:32:51.805 are talking about 00:32:51.805 --> 00:32:52.695 the policy." And 00:32:52.695 --> 00:32:54.156 here I see if you 00:32:54.165 --> 00:32:54.695 think about the 00:32:54.695 --> 00:32:56.275 UN policy, you're 00:32:56.276 --> 00:32:57.175 talking about what 00:32:57.175 --> 00:32:58.535 they call climate 00:32:58.645 --> 00:33:00.945 resistance energy. 00:33:02.295 --> 00:33:03.325 So wind turbines, 00:33:03.325 --> 00:33:05.025 solar panels, very 00:33:05.026 --> 00:33:05.765 high investment 00:33:05.835 --> 00:33:06.935 in infrastructure 00:33:07.585 --> 00:33:09.106 immigration policies, 00:33:09.295 --> 00:33:11.485 food security what 00:33:11.485 --> 00:33:12.475 they call a 00:33:12.485 --> 00:33:13.895 protection of nature. 00:33:14.885 --> 00:33:16.085 Access to water is a 00:33:16.096 --> 00:33:17.215 very big thing now. 00:33:17.585 --> 00:33:19.605 So privacy the 00:33:19.615 --> 00:33:20.155 surveillance 00:33:20.175 --> 00:33:20.975 infrastructure. 00:33:20.975 --> 00:33:21.495 So- 00:33:21.865 --> 00:33:22.356 I think there are 00:33:22.356 --> 00:33:23.806 a lot of policies. 00:33:23.815 --> 00:33:24.615 It's not just 00:33:24.615 --> 00:33:25.515 the data centers. 00:33:25.515 --> 00:33:26.306 There's a lot of 00:33:26.335 --> 00:33:27.256 policies- that we 00:33:27.256 --> 00:33:30.225 can have, can focus 00:33:30.225 --> 00:33:31.696 on very specifically 00:33:31.725 --> 00:33:33.476 on a local level. 00:33:33.985 --> 00:33:34.815 And I see the 00:33:34.816 --> 00:33:36.015 understanding where 00:33:36.015 --> 00:33:36.775 this is coming 00:33:36.775 --> 00:33:37.455 from, the bigger 00:33:37.475 --> 00:33:38.516 picture, as a way 00:33:38.516 --> 00:33:39.475 to perhaps also 00:33:39.475 --> 00:33:40.635 unite these groups. 00:33:41.206 --> 00:33:41.306 But- 00:33:41.525 --> 00:33:41.705 Yes 00:33:42.036 --> 00:33:42.396 … yeah. 00:33:43.295 --> 00:33:43.595 Yeah. 00:33:44.495 --> 00:33:46.726 That's basically, 00:33:46.765 --> 00:33:47.625 I think, what… 00:33:48.235 --> 00:33:48.786 If you look at 00:33:48.786 --> 00:33:49.465 the history of the 00:33:49.465 --> 00:33:50.255 Workers' Defense 00:33:50.255 --> 00:33:50.825 committees in 00:33:50.825 --> 00:33:52.726 Poland, there was a 00:33:52.726 --> 00:33:54.566 period between the 00:33:54.605 --> 00:33:55.855 earliest formation 00:33:56.235 --> 00:33:57.175 of those committees 00:33:57.225 --> 00:33:58.105 and the emergence 00:33:58.105 --> 00:33:59.016 of Solidarity 00:33:59.786 --> 00:34:00.675 as a national 00:34:00.685 --> 00:34:01.955 movement in Poland. 00:34:03.075 --> 00:34:04.145 There was a period 00:34:04.155 --> 00:34:05.116 where they were doing 00:34:05.116 --> 00:34:06.065 precisely what you're 00:34:06.066 --> 00:34:07.725 doing a- and what 00:34:07.725 --> 00:34:08.585 you're suggesting. 00:34:09.405 --> 00:34:10.125 There was a period 00:34:10.135 --> 00:34:10.996 where they were 00:34:11.096 --> 00:34:14.225 aware of, of- the 00:34:14.255 --> 00:34:15.245 existence of all 00:34:15.245 --> 00:34:16.055 these committees 00:34:16.095 --> 00:34:17.395 at a local and even 00:34:17.395 --> 00:34:18.305 regional level. 00:34:19.345 --> 00:34:21.515 And once they've, 00:34:21.835 --> 00:34:23.695 once they pinpointed 00:34:23.805 --> 00:34:25.225 specific policies 00:34:25.225 --> 00:34:25.985 locally that they 00:34:25.985 --> 00:34:26.665 were addressing 00:34:27.965 --> 00:34:28.855 they learned that 00:34:28.855 --> 00:34:29.745 they needed some 00:34:29.745 --> 00:34:31.105 way to coordinate 00:34:31.125 --> 00:34:32.445 all that activity. 00:34:32.475 --> 00:34:34.715 And a if I 00:34:34.715 --> 00:34:35.805 remember correctly, 00:34:35.865 --> 00:34:36.635 the manual that 00:34:36.645 --> 00:34:37.535 you're talking about 00:34:37.835 --> 00:34:38.735 is exactly what 00:34:38.735 --> 00:34:39.695 they came up with. 00:34:40.895 --> 00:34:41.645 They ca- yeah, 00:34:41.645 --> 00:34:42.275 they came up 00:34:42.275 --> 00:34:43.725 with a set of 00:34:45.825 --> 00:34:47.585 not this is 00:34:47.585 --> 00:34:48.255 our playbook. 00:34:48.335 --> 00:34:48.715 I'm not 00:34:48.715 --> 00:34:49.615 suggesting that. 00:34:49.625 --> 00:34:50.695 They came up with a 00:34:50.705 --> 00:34:52.095 set of suggestions, 00:34:52.535 --> 00:34:53.755 and they circulated 00:34:53.755 --> 00:34:54.605 those suggestions. 00:34:54.605 --> 00:34:55.275 Samizdat 00:34:55.585 --> 00:34:56.155 typewritten- 00:34:56.895 --> 00:34:58.255 secretly passed 00:34:58.255 --> 00:34:59.686 around manuscripts, 00:35:00.215 --> 00:35:00.705 and they 00:35:00.705 --> 00:35:01.875 circulated those. 00:35:01.895 --> 00:35:03.316 And the other thing 00:35:03.316 --> 00:35:04.825 that Zomo- Sko- was, 00:35:05.115 --> 00:35:05.885 I can't remember 00:35:05.885 --> 00:35:06.445 his name now. 00:35:06.495 --> 00:35:07.855 Zazovsky brings out 00:35:07.865 --> 00:35:11.045 in his book is that 00:35:11.655 --> 00:35:13.305 a lot of these early 00:35:13.305 --> 00:35:14.255 worker committees 00:35:14.275 --> 00:35:14.995 were simply 00:35:15.035 --> 00:35:16.505 discussion clubs. 00:35:16.535 --> 00:35:17.005 That's what they 00:35:17.005 --> 00:35:17.375 called them. 00:35:18.055 --> 00:35:18.895 Discussion cl- 00:35:19.386 --> 00:35:20.696 dis- clubs where 00:35:20.696 --> 00:35:21.985 they would, pardon 00:35:21.985 --> 00:35:23.366 me, read papers 00:35:25.091 --> 00:35:26.671 Of members and 00:35:26.671 --> 00:35:27.441 discuss them. 00:35:28.401 --> 00:35:29.371 Given the fact that 00:35:29.371 --> 00:35:30.501 this is the Workers 00:35:30.501 --> 00:35:31.221 Defense Committee 00:35:31.701 --> 00:35:32.891 we can probably 00:35:33.281 --> 00:35:34.151 figure out what those 00:35:34.171 --> 00:35:35.141 papers were about. 00:35:35.371 --> 00:35:36.301 The papers were about 00:35:37.151 --> 00:35:38.671 how do we do this? 00:35:39.021 --> 00:35:40.411 What's our strategy? 00:35:40.621 --> 00:35:41.281 What's the 00:35:41.301 --> 00:35:42.491 issue locally we 00:35:42.491 --> 00:35:43.421 wanna address? 00:35:43.661 --> 00:35:44.451 What do we wanna 00:35:44.451 --> 00:35:45.261 see happen? 00:35:46.361 --> 00:35:47.811 And once we figure 00:35:47.811 --> 00:35:48.611 out what do we wanna 00:35:48.611 --> 00:35:49.901 see happen, then we 00:35:49.901 --> 00:35:50.621 figure out how do 00:35:50.621 --> 00:35:51.811 we get there, who 00:35:51.811 --> 00:35:53.231 do we get involved 00:35:53.301 --> 00:35:55.701 on our side, and 00:35:55.771 --> 00:35:57.501 who is, who are we 00:35:57.501 --> 00:35:58.991 trying to persuade 00:35:59.221 --> 00:36:00.431 with our message? 00:36:01.711 --> 00:36:02.801 That's the, that's 00:36:02.811 --> 00:36:03.762 always the key 00:36:03.762 --> 00:36:05.081 thing in this 00:36:05.091 --> 00:36:05.921 Polish descent, 00:36:06.271 --> 00:36:07.461 is who are we 00:36:07.461 --> 00:36:08.951 trying to persuade? 00:36:09.371 --> 00:36:10.331 Not only what's 00:36:10.331 --> 00:36:11.491 our message, but 00:36:11.491 --> 00:36:12.302 who are we trying 00:36:12.302 --> 00:36:13.021 to persuade? 00:36:14.611 --> 00:36:15.571 That's the key. 00:36:15.841 --> 00:36:16.701 And it's never 00:36:16.711 --> 00:36:17.341 the government. 00:36:17.351 --> 00:36:18.391 Again, it's not the 00:36:18.392 --> 00:36:19.771 bureaucrat, it's 00:36:19.771 --> 00:36:20.441 not the people in 00:36:20.451 --> 00:36:21.561 the government, it's 00:36:21.581 --> 00:36:22.941 the people who are 00:36:23.351 --> 00:36:24.591 going to be affected 00:36:24.591 --> 00:36:25.671 by the policy. 00:36:26.371 --> 00:36:27.121 And this brings 00:36:27.121 --> 00:36:28.031 up another thing 00:36:28.031 --> 00:36:28.941 that, that the 00:36:28.941 --> 00:36:29.801 Workers Defense 00:36:30.822 --> 00:36:30.871 Committee's very 00:36:30.871 --> 00:36:32.661 early on identified 00:36:32.682 --> 00:36:33.972 as part of their 00:36:35.612 --> 00:36:36.781 of their focus. 00:36:38.191 --> 00:36:39.351 They were not 00:36:39.401 --> 00:36:41.471 interested in 00:36:41.731 --> 00:36:43.012 non-productive 00:36:43.061 --> 00:36:43.641 people. 00:36:45.651 --> 00:36:46.522 In other words, 00:36:46.781 --> 00:36:47.341 you had to 00:36:47.341 --> 00:36:48.501 produce something. 00:36:48.502 --> 00:36:49.012 You had to be a 00:36:49.012 --> 00:36:51.141 farmer or an author 00:36:51.142 --> 00:36:52.511 or an artist or 00:36:52.832 --> 00:36:53.471 somebody that's 00:36:53.481 --> 00:36:54.832 producing something, 00:36:54.832 --> 00:36:55.501 whether it's a 00:36:55.502 --> 00:36:56.781 tangible service 00:36:56.791 --> 00:36:58.852 or good, or an 00:36:58.861 --> 00:37:00.171 intellectual service 00:37:00.201 --> 00:37:01.251 or good, or an 00:37:01.251 --> 00:37:02.591 arti- you had to be 00:37:02.591 --> 00:37:03.561 producing something. 00:37:03.892 --> 00:37:05.452 In other words, they 00:37:05.461 --> 00:37:07.161 weren't the least 00:37:07.171 --> 00:37:09.421 bit interested in 00:37:09.421 --> 00:37:09.901 the technocrat, 00:37:09.971 --> 00:37:12.061 the politician, 00:37:12.311 --> 00:37:13.651 or the bureaucrat. 00:37:14.231 --> 00:37:15.081 Because what do 00:37:15.081 --> 00:37:16.011 they produce? 00:37:16.561 --> 00:37:17.261 Nothing. 00:37:20.031 --> 00:37:20.691 So in other words 00:37:21.161 --> 00:37:22.611 they focused that, 00:37:22.741 --> 00:37:25.241 laser-focused on the 00:37:25.241 --> 00:37:27.001 productive people in 00:37:27.011 --> 00:37:27.901 the community that 00:37:27.901 --> 00:37:29.102 they wanted to reach 00:37:31.303 --> 00:37:33.173 So when I heard 00:37:33.173 --> 00:37:34.093 and read about the 00:37:34.163 --> 00:37:35.483 discu- discussion 00:37:35.483 --> 00:37:36.923 clubs, I was thinking 00:37:36.923 --> 00:37:38.513 about, so the 00:37:38.513 --> 00:37:39.623 dissident movement 00:37:39.633 --> 00:37:40.473 during COVID. 00:37:40.943 --> 00:37:41.723 So during these 00:37:41.723 --> 00:37:42.353 lockdowns- yes … a 00:37:42.383 --> 00:37:43.653 lot of people met 00:37:43.653 --> 00:37:44.873 and were talking 00:37:44.883 --> 00:37:45.883 and discussing. 00:37:46.663 --> 00:37:46.693 Yes. 00:37:47.403 --> 00:37:48.583 But if I look at 00:37:48.583 --> 00:37:49.503 what is happening 00:37:49.503 --> 00:37:51.053 with it now, very 00:37:51.063 --> 00:37:51.953 few are looking 00:37:51.953 --> 00:37:52.893 at the government. 00:37:53.953 --> 00:37:55.243 I, it seems a little 00:37:55.243 --> 00:37:56.273 bit and I think 00:37:56.283 --> 00:37:57.873 it's actually an apt 00:37:58.233 --> 00:37:59.793 comparison- like 00:37:59.793 --> 00:38:00.973 the hippie movement. 00:38:01.063 --> 00:38:02.943 So they still come 00:38:02.943 --> 00:38:03.953 together, but they 00:38:03.953 --> 00:38:05.113 come together to 00:38:05.143 --> 00:38:06.643 set intentions or 00:38:06.653 --> 00:38:08.073 have dinner, and 00:38:08.153 --> 00:38:09.313 they wanna focus 00:38:10.094 --> 00:38:11.763 on increasing 00:38:11.763 --> 00:38:12.924 their vibration. 00:38:13.233 --> 00:38:14.353 Or others, they 00:38:14.353 --> 00:38:15.453 wanna be outside 00:38:15.453 --> 00:38:16.033 the government. 00:38:16.033 --> 00:38:17.903 So they are 00:38:17.903 --> 00:38:19.243 very apolitical. 00:38:20.583 --> 00:38:21.474 W- what is 00:38:21.664 --> 00:38:22.343 left of it. 00:38:22.373 --> 00:38:22.993 And I think that's 00:38:22.993 --> 00:38:23.633 interesting with 00:38:23.633 --> 00:38:24.373 the hippie movement, 00:38:24.383 --> 00:38:25.303 because that started 00:38:25.303 --> 00:38:26.063 as a political 00:38:26.063 --> 00:38:26.633 movement- Yes. 00:38:26.633 --> 00:38:26.973 Yes … and then 00:38:26.973 --> 00:38:27.693 they started 00:38:27.773 --> 00:38:29.233 dropping acid and, 00:38:29.273 --> 00:38:31.283 and- tuning out. 00:38:33.543 --> 00:38:34.693 And what I find 00:38:34.693 --> 00:38:35.623 difficult, because 00:38:35.653 --> 00:38:36.513 yeah, I started 00:38:36.573 --> 00:38:37.233 writing for a 00:38:37.233 --> 00:38:38.723 dissident paper in 00:38:38.723 --> 00:38:40.163 this period- is 00:38:40.164 --> 00:38:41.223 that a lot of these 00:38:41.223 --> 00:38:42.193 readers, when you 00:38:42.193 --> 00:38:43.284 say, "No, you really 00:38:43.284 --> 00:38:43.964 have to look at the 00:38:43.964 --> 00:38:45.163 government policy, 00:38:45.213 --> 00:38:45.903 that they make 00:38:45.903 --> 00:38:46.943 master plans of what 00:38:46.943 --> 00:38:47.583 they're going to do 00:38:47.583 --> 00:38:48.713 in your municipality. 00:38:48.713 --> 00:38:49.453 Read about it. 00:38:49.503 --> 00:38:50.194 Go and speak," 00:38:50.833 --> 00:38:53.313 during a a meeting, 00:38:53.323 --> 00:38:54.033 and they look at 00:38:54.033 --> 00:38:55.204 you like, "No, you 00:38:55.213 --> 00:38:55.903 shouldn't fight the 00:38:55.903 --> 00:38:57.823 government." and you 00:38:57.823 --> 00:38:58.533 shouldn't do this. 00:38:59.603 --> 00:39:00.903 So these debating 00:39:00.903 --> 00:39:03.193 clubs, how can we get 00:39:03.193 --> 00:39:04.254 them to a position 00:39:04.254 --> 00:39:05.363 where they go to the 00:39:05.363 --> 00:39:06.323 fundamental stuff 00:39:06.323 --> 00:39:07.383 again, instead of 00:39:07.423 --> 00:39:09.213 just… The, yeah, 00:39:09.213 --> 00:39:10.143 there I f- find 00:39:10.153 --> 00:39:10.643 there's a lot of 00:39:10.673 --> 00:39:11.493 belief that you 00:39:11.914 --> 00:39:13.803 can be outside the 00:39:13.803 --> 00:39:14.973 system, and I think- 00:39:15.253 --> 00:39:16.503 That w- yeah, 00:39:16.583 --> 00:39:17.293 the whole idea of 00:39:17.323 --> 00:39:18.403 totalitarian state 00:39:18.543 --> 00:39:19.573 is that it's total. 00:39:19.573 --> 00:39:20.743 I don't believe 00:39:20.763 --> 00:39:21.694 that's possible. 00:39:22.494 --> 00:39:23.353 I don't believe it's 00:39:23.353 --> 00:39:24.593 possible either. 00:39:26.033 --> 00:39:27.463 And history has 00:39:27.463 --> 00:39:28.773 taught us that it 00:39:28.773 --> 00:39:29.983 is not possible. 00:39:31.283 --> 00:39:33.293 The techniques and 00:39:33.293 --> 00:39:34.803 technologies improve 00:39:35.164 --> 00:39:37.523 but it's a- an 00:39:37.523 --> 00:39:38.503 asymptotic limit 00:39:38.523 --> 00:39:39.353 in mathematics. 00:39:39.354 --> 00:39:40.233 You can approach 00:39:40.233 --> 00:39:41.313 totalitarianism, 00:39:41.313 --> 00:39:42.123 but you never really 00:39:42.123 --> 00:39:42.993 quite reach it. 00:39:45.074 --> 00:39:45.614 There's always gonna 00:39:45.614 --> 00:39:46.273 be something that 00:39:46.274 --> 00:39:47.303 falls outside of it. 00:39:49.393 --> 00:39:50.633 Y- your question 00:39:50.634 --> 00:39:51.623 here, I think, 00:39:51.783 --> 00:39:52.713 Elza, goes to 00:39:52.714 --> 00:39:54.174 motivation and 00:39:56.423 --> 00:40:00.783 and intention And I 00:40:00.783 --> 00:40:04.003 think the key to the 00:40:04.013 --> 00:40:05.323 Polish experience 00:40:05.333 --> 00:40:06.303 is let's go back 00:40:06.303 --> 00:40:07.813 to how the Workers' 00:40:07.813 --> 00:40:08.823 Defense Committees 00:40:08.823 --> 00:40:09.413 were founded. 00:40:09.423 --> 00:40:10.353 They were founded 00:40:10.393 --> 00:40:13.263 when people were 00:40:13.323 --> 00:40:14.453 arrested by the 00:40:14.453 --> 00:40:17.083 government, refused 00:40:17.253 --> 00:40:18.633 to play along with 00:40:18.633 --> 00:40:20.293 the government, and 00:40:20.293 --> 00:40:21.343 were either sentenced 00:40:21.353 --> 00:40:22.233 to prison or pla- 00:40:22.693 --> 00:40:23.673 probably prison, 00:40:23.973 --> 00:40:24.713 placed- in some 00:40:24.713 --> 00:40:25.733 cases under house 00:40:25.733 --> 00:40:26.593 arrest and so on. 00:40:27.053 --> 00:40:27.853 So the Workers' 00:40:27.853 --> 00:40:28.853 Defense Committees 00:40:28.853 --> 00:40:29.933 were started quite 00:40:29.933 --> 00:40:30.943 literally as a 00:40:30.953 --> 00:40:33.053 means of financially 00:40:33.063 --> 00:40:34.193 supporting those 00:40:34.213 --> 00:40:35.223 people that were 00:40:35.223 --> 00:40:36.203 sentenced to prison 00:40:36.463 --> 00:40:37.504 and their families. 00:40:37.513 --> 00:40:37.863 That's how 00:40:37.863 --> 00:40:38.583 they started. 00:40:39.043 --> 00:40:39.493 Okay? 00:40:40.623 --> 00:40:41.723 So in other words, 00:40:42.603 --> 00:40:43.943 it started with 00:40:43.973 --> 00:40:48.123 an act of defiance 00:40:48.653 --> 00:40:49.953 of a lunatic 00:40:49.983 --> 00:40:53.481 policy That's key. 00:40:53.981 --> 00:40:54.711 We've gotta be 00:40:54.741 --> 00:40:55.511 upfront with 00:40:55.511 --> 00:40:56.691 people about this. 00:40:56.751 --> 00:40:58.201 This is a war. 00:40:59.221 --> 00:41:00.191 There will be 00:41:00.201 --> 00:41:01.301 casualties. 00:41:02.081 --> 00:41:03.011 We are going 00:41:03.011 --> 00:41:03.831 to have to make 00:41:03.841 --> 00:41:05.551 personal sacrifices. 00:41:06.191 --> 00:41:07.421 If some people don't 00:41:07.421 --> 00:41:08.291 wanna confront the 00:41:08.291 --> 00:41:09.021 government, we're 00:41:09.021 --> 00:41:09.851 not interested 00:41:09.871 --> 00:41:10.571 in having… 00:41:10.691 --> 00:41:11.771 They've identified 00:41:11.771 --> 00:41:12.931 themselves as being 00:41:13.001 --> 00:41:14.661 absolutely useless 00:41:14.991 --> 00:41:16.701 non-producers, again, 00:41:16.711 --> 00:41:18.341 here we are, that 00:41:18.341 --> 00:41:19.131 aren't going to 00:41:19.131 --> 00:41:20.161 advance the cause. 00:41:20.171 --> 00:41:20.811 So we have to be 00:41:20.811 --> 00:41:21.581 right up front. 00:41:22.051 --> 00:41:23.191 If you're involved 00:41:23.191 --> 00:41:26.121 right now in any 00:41:26.131 --> 00:41:27.141 sort of struggle 00:41:27.141 --> 00:41:28.792 like this, you are 00:41:28.831 --> 00:41:30.111 going to braise the 00:41:30.111 --> 00:41:31.041 attention of the 00:41:31.041 --> 00:41:32.411 government, and you 00:41:32.421 --> 00:41:33.931 have to be willing 00:41:33.951 --> 00:41:35.881 to pay that price. 00:41:37.081 --> 00:41:37.941 Let's be very 00:41:37.941 --> 00:41:38.841 upfront with that. 00:41:39.822 --> 00:41:41.131 The more upfront 00:41:41.131 --> 00:41:42.961 we are with that, 00:41:43.421 --> 00:41:44.981 the more similar 00:41:45.011 --> 00:41:46.241 like-minded people 00:41:46.251 --> 00:41:47.261 will come out 00:41:47.291 --> 00:41:48.591 and support us. 00:41:49.741 --> 00:41:50.441 That's just the 00:41:50.441 --> 00:41:51.361 way it works. 00:41:52.441 --> 00:41:53.481 And the way all 00:41:53.481 --> 00:41:54.241 of these things 00:41:54.241 --> 00:41:56.421 work ultimately is 00:41:57.341 --> 00:41:59.001 revolutions, every 00:41:59.002 --> 00:41:59.811 revolution that 00:41:59.862 --> 00:42:00.981 has been successful 00:42:00.981 --> 00:42:02.391 in history is 00:42:02.411 --> 00:42:03.682 accomplished by about 00:42:03.701 --> 00:42:06.721 10% of a population, 00:42:06.761 --> 00:42:08.511 if even that much. 00:42:09.301 --> 00:42:10.131 Now, I'm not saying 00:42:10.252 --> 00:42:10.832 that what we're 00:42:10.832 --> 00:42:11.502 involved with 00:42:11.531 --> 00:42:12.431 is a revolution. 00:42:12.441 --> 00:42:13.182 In fact, what we're 00:42:13.182 --> 00:42:14.431 involved with is a 00:42:14.432 --> 00:42:15.451 counter-revolution. 00:42:15.461 --> 00:42:16.511 We've had enough 00:42:16.542 --> 00:42:18.061 of this nonsense 00:42:18.061 --> 00:42:20.082 and we don't want 00:42:20.082 --> 00:42:20.941 any more of it. 00:42:22.502 --> 00:42:23.812 We've we have 00:42:23.822 --> 00:42:25.211 numbers in that sense 00:42:25.211 --> 00:42:26.831 on our side, but we 00:42:26.831 --> 00:42:27.951 have to understand, 00:42:28.511 --> 00:42:29.521 just like COVID, 00:42:29.561 --> 00:42:30.361 there were people 00:42:30.362 --> 00:42:31.491 during the COVID 00:42:31.561 --> 00:42:32.761 lockdown that were 00:42:32.761 --> 00:42:34.841 willing and did pay 00:42:34.851 --> 00:42:36.051 a price, that were 00:42:36.051 --> 00:42:37.121 thrown in jail, that 00:42:37.121 --> 00:42:38.511 were silenced, had 00:42:38.511 --> 00:42:40.191 their assets seized. 00:42:42.441 --> 00:42:42.972 And it took 00:42:42.981 --> 00:42:43.761 those little acts 00:42:43.761 --> 00:42:44.941 of defiance to 00:42:44.941 --> 00:42:45.931 break it down. 00:42:49.582 --> 00:42:50.591 I had my heart 00:42:50.591 --> 00:42:51.971 attack during COVID. 00:42:53.581 --> 00:42:55.311 And I was laying 00:42:55.311 --> 00:42:55.771 there in the 00:42:55.771 --> 00:42:57.541 hospital being fed 00:42:57.551 --> 00:42:58.811 all these pills. 00:42:59.881 --> 00:43:02.371 And every single time 00:43:02.372 --> 00:43:03.671 a nurse would come in 00:43:03.771 --> 00:43:05.321 to my hospital room, 00:43:05.322 --> 00:43:06.351 would say, " do you 00:43:06.351 --> 00:43:07.281 want a COVID vac?" 00:43:07.281 --> 00:43:08.532 And I would 00:43:08.532 --> 00:43:09.291 literally have to 00:43:09.292 --> 00:43:10.712 tell them, "Not only 00:43:10.712 --> 00:43:11.842 do I not want it, but 00:43:11.842 --> 00:43:13.001 if you keep asking 00:43:13.012 --> 00:43:14.211 me, I'm going to take 00:43:14.241 --> 00:43:15.442 all of these tubes 00:43:15.442 --> 00:43:17.251 out of my arm, get up 00:43:17.251 --> 00:43:18.161 out of this hospital 00:43:18.171 --> 00:43:19.391 bed, and walk out, 00:43:19.432 --> 00:43:21.391 because I absolutely 00:43:21.391 --> 00:43:23.681 refuse to take your 00:43:23.711 --> 00:43:26.061 injection." And one 00:43:26.072 --> 00:43:27.551 nurse asked me why, 00:43:27.561 --> 00:43:28.471 and I said, "Because 00:43:28.471 --> 00:43:29.501 you keep saying it's 00:43:29.501 --> 00:43:30.981 scientific, and I 00:43:30.981 --> 00:43:31.752 can tell you this 00:43:31.752 --> 00:43:32.721 does not represent 00:43:32.762 --> 00:43:33.661 any science I 00:43:33.661 --> 00:43:34.671 learned in school." 00:43:36.231 --> 00:43:36.841 You have no 00:43:36.841 --> 00:43:37.831 control group. 00:43:39.021 --> 00:43:40.041 We don't know what 00:43:40.041 --> 00:43:40.741 you're putting in 00:43:40.741 --> 00:43:42.161 these vaccines. 00:43:42.491 --> 00:43:43.631 You're asking me to 00:43:43.651 --> 00:43:44.401 take something that 00:43:44.451 --> 00:43:45.551 I don't have any 00:43:45.551 --> 00:43:47.381 control over, I don't 00:43:47.381 --> 00:43:48.451 know the ingredients 00:43:48.451 --> 00:43:49.391 of, I don't know what 00:43:49.391 --> 00:43:50.411 it's supposed to do, 00:43:50.441 --> 00:43:51.711 and neither do you. 00:43:53.571 --> 00:43:54.861 So in other words, 00:43:55.121 --> 00:43:56.191 it took an act of 00:43:56.191 --> 00:43:57.271 defiance and it took 00:43:57.291 --> 00:43:58.381 a literal threat 00:43:58.691 --> 00:43:59.851 and that was mild 00:43:59.891 --> 00:44:00.861 compared to what some 00:44:00.861 --> 00:44:02.091 people went through. 00:44:02.691 --> 00:44:03.841 So you have to be 00:44:03.841 --> 00:44:05.641 willing… The s- 00:44:05.641 --> 00:44:06.631 the starting point 00:44:06.641 --> 00:44:07.421 for all of this 00:44:07.631 --> 00:44:08.241 is you have to be 00:44:08.241 --> 00:44:09.351 willing to say no. 00:44:11.362 --> 00:44:12.471 It's that simple. 00:44:13.092 --> 00:44:13.741 Speak out. 00:44:13.741 --> 00:44:13.772 And speak out. 00:44:13.772 --> 00:44:14.162 Yeah. 00:44:14.701 --> 00:44:14.961 Yeah. 00:44:15.001 --> 00:44:15.831 And speak out. 00:44:15.941 --> 00:44:16.671 You have to. 00:44:17.711 --> 00:44:18.421 If you're not willing 00:44:18.421 --> 00:44:19.161 to do that, you're 00:44:19.561 --> 00:44:20.501 you're useless 00:44:21.955 --> 00:44:23.425 Because here I see 00:44:24.215 --> 00:44:26.665 it, the society often 00:44:26.665 --> 00:44:27.805 already feels as 00:44:27.805 --> 00:44:28.745 if there's a Soviet 00:44:28.845 --> 00:44:29.705 m- the mentality. 00:44:29.715 --> 00:44:29.745 Yes. 00:44:29.755 --> 00:44:30.765 Everybody knows 00:44:30.805 --> 00:44:32.495 exactly what you 00:44:32.545 --> 00:44:33.885 can and cannot say 00:44:33.885 --> 00:44:34.785 in polite company. 00:44:34.985 --> 00:44:35.505 And if you say or 00:44:35.655 --> 00:44:36.725 use certain words or 00:44:36.725 --> 00:44:37.605 say certain things, 00:44:37.645 --> 00:44:38.965 then you're out. 00:44:39.605 --> 00:44:40.255 Then you are- that 00:44:40.255 --> 00:44:40.275 conspiracy thinker 00:44:40.275 --> 00:44:42.995 or you're extreme 00:44:43.075 --> 00:44:44.275 right or fascist. 00:44:46.355 --> 00:44:49.385 Y- I always thought 00:44:49.385 --> 00:44:50.235 the Net- the Dutch 00:44:50.255 --> 00:44:51.945 culture was very free 00:44:51.945 --> 00:44:53.615 and open, and e- even 00:44:53.925 --> 00:44:56.705 among the towards 00:44:56.715 --> 00:44:58.276 your boss, it w- you 00:44:58.295 --> 00:44:59.525 could be very candid. 00:44:59.655 --> 00:45:00.375 Because I also 00:45:00.375 --> 00:45:01.255 lived in the US for 00:45:01.256 --> 00:45:02.176 a while, and I was 00:45:02.176 --> 00:45:03.045 very candid towards 00:45:03.045 --> 00:45:03.925 a boss, and they 00:45:04.045 --> 00:45:05.015 didn't- appreciate 00:45:05.065 --> 00:45:05.846 that, but there was a 00:45:05.885 --> 00:45:06.845 cultural difference. 00:45:07.455 --> 00:45:09.755 But now I think, 00:45:09.775 --> 00:45:10.915 "H- how did this 00:45:10.935 --> 00:45:12.226 happen? This is so 00:45:12.226 --> 00:45:15.025 not like we are." 00:45:17.265 --> 00:45:18.745 yeah so people 00:45:18.745 --> 00:45:19.675 need to speak out. 00:45:19.685 --> 00:45:20.255 The people that- 00:45:20.385 --> 00:45:20.805 Yes … still need 00:45:20.835 --> 00:45:21.895 to understand 00:45:21.895 --> 00:45:23.445 the culture they 00:45:23.445 --> 00:45:24.375 need to speak out. 00:45:24.385 --> 00:45:24.825 That's very 00:45:24.825 --> 00:45:25.355 important. 00:45:25.705 --> 00:45:26.476 And another thing 00:45:26.476 --> 00:45:27.176 that you mentioned, 00:45:27.315 --> 00:45:28.205 so what happened 00:45:28.205 --> 00:45:29.855 with CORE is that 00:45:29.965 --> 00:45:31.945 they were supporting 00:45:32.006 --> 00:45:32.725 the people that 00:45:32.726 --> 00:45:33.565 were targeted. 00:45:33.565 --> 00:45:34.195 Yes. 00:45:34.195 --> 00:45:36.325 And what I see now is 00:45:36.325 --> 00:45:39.146 that mostly it's not 00:45:39.146 --> 00:45:40.376 physical violence, 00:45:40.425 --> 00:45:41.635 but it's bureaucratic 00:45:41.645 --> 00:45:42.425 violence. 00:45:42.555 --> 00:45:42.955 Yes. 00:45:42.976 --> 00:45:44.736 So it's a policy 00:45:44.736 --> 00:45:45.645 deluge that 00:45:45.675 --> 00:45:46.485 makes your… 00:45:46.595 --> 00:45:47.535 It's impossible 00:45:47.535 --> 00:45:48.296 to keep running 00:45:48.296 --> 00:45:49.015 your business. 00:45:49.575 --> 00:45:51.055 Or it's the farmers, 00:45:51.085 --> 00:45:52.355 and I counted 00:45:52.355 --> 00:45:53.125 the data for the 00:45:53.125 --> 00:45:53.905 Dutch farmers, 00:45:53.936 --> 00:45:54.965 and only about a 00:45:54.965 --> 00:45:56.955 half a percent of 00:45:56.995 --> 00:45:57.906 the people in the 00:45:57.906 --> 00:45:58.745 country, so not 00:45:58.745 --> 00:45:59.395 the entrepreneurs, 00:45:59.395 --> 00:46:00.186 the people, half 00:46:00.186 --> 00:46:01.776 a percent, that 00:46:01.815 --> 00:46:02.526 can take care 00:46:02.526 --> 00:46:03.005 of our food. 00:46:03.325 --> 00:46:03.845 And they own 00:46:03.845 --> 00:46:04.675 a lot of land. 00:46:05.345 --> 00:46:06.305 And they're targeted, 00:46:07.675 --> 00:46:08.665 and I think people 00:46:08.665 --> 00:46:09.725 are not supporting 00:46:09.725 --> 00:46:10.835 them sufficiently. 00:46:10.845 --> 00:46:12.046 So if you see 00:46:12.046 --> 00:46:12.765 what they did with 00:46:12.785 --> 00:46:13.605 CORE, that they 00:46:13.605 --> 00:46:14.575 get financial- 00:46:14.665 --> 00:46:15.075 Yes … support, 00:46:15.085 --> 00:46:15.775 they get legal 00:46:15.775 --> 00:46:17.375 support, and I think 00:46:17.375 --> 00:46:18.465 also moral support. 00:46:18.465 --> 00:46:19.285 So I interviewed a 00:46:19.305 --> 00:46:20.145 lot of farmers, and 00:46:20.145 --> 00:46:21.635 one of them said, " I 00:46:21.635 --> 00:46:22.716 listen to the radio, 00:46:22.716 --> 00:46:23.755 and the whole time 00:46:23.765 --> 00:46:24.925 you hear how bad 00:46:24.936 --> 00:46:26.185 we are and we hate 00:46:26.195 --> 00:46:28.525 nature." and a- 00:46:28.575 --> 00:46:29.316 and he said, "I have 00:46:29.316 --> 00:46:30.245 a wife, so I have 00:46:30.245 --> 00:46:31.186 a lot of support 00:46:31.186 --> 00:46:32.115 from my family." 00:46:32.446 --> 00:46:34.446 But if you are… 00:46:34.455 --> 00:46:35.095 Because it's 00:46:35.095 --> 00:46:36.115 difficult for farmers 00:46:36.116 --> 00:46:38.525 to find wives, so if 00:46:38.525 --> 00:46:39.575 you're running this 00:46:39.605 --> 00:46:41.675 business and it's an 00:46:41.825 --> 00:46:43.316 80 hour, seven days 00:46:43.316 --> 00:46:44.575 a w- it, it's an 00:46:44.575 --> 00:46:45.756 enormous work week, 00:46:46.245 --> 00:46:47.385 and you don't have 00:46:47.385 --> 00:46:48.745 that family support, 00:46:49.235 --> 00:46:50.886 and you have this 00:46:50.916 --> 00:46:52.575 policy deluge where 00:46:52.795 --> 00:46:53.785 the s- so there are 00:46:53.785 --> 00:46:55.075 a lot of suicides 00:46:55.075 --> 00:46:55.966 among farmers. 00:46:57.306 --> 00:46:58.785 So perhaps there 00:46:59.946 --> 00:47:00.605 yeah, people were 00:47:00.645 --> 00:47:01.735 tortured and put 00:47:01.735 --> 00:47:02.656 into prison- and a 00:47:02.665 --> 00:47:03.425 lot of people were 00:47:03.446 --> 00:47:04.285 killed, so it was 00:47:04.285 --> 00:47:06.036 more overt violence. 00:47:06.545 --> 00:47:07.505 But w- we have 00:47:07.506 --> 00:47:08.345 to recognize the 00:47:08.345 --> 00:47:09.265 people that are 00:47:09.265 --> 00:47:10.225 being hit with this 00:47:10.226 --> 00:47:11.085 and find a way to 00:47:11.125 --> 00:47:12.115 start supporting 00:47:12.116 --> 00:47:13.286 them also, I think. 00:47:14.063 --> 00:47:14.973 No, absolutely. 00:47:15.043 --> 00:47:16.023 A- again, that's 00:47:16.023 --> 00:47:17.123 what KOR did. 00:47:18.253 --> 00:47:18.953 They took up 00:47:18.953 --> 00:47:20.533 collections of money 00:47:21.003 --> 00:47:22.003 to support people 00:47:22.003 --> 00:47:22.833 that were victims 00:47:23.083 --> 00:47:23.753 of the government 00:47:23.753 --> 00:47:24.693 policy, in this 00:47:24.693 --> 00:47:25.723 case, the policy of 00:47:25.723 --> 00:47:26.753 the price increase. 00:47:27.223 --> 00:47:27.813 So yeah 00:47:29.883 --> 00:47:31.043 I watched on 00:47:31.043 --> 00:47:32.173 American television 00:47:32.183 --> 00:47:33.013 the few times that 00:47:33.013 --> 00:47:33.803 they would cover what 00:47:33.803 --> 00:47:34.533 was happening with 00:47:34.543 --> 00:47:35.503 the Dutch farmers 00:47:36.373 --> 00:47:37.263 and my first thought 00:47:37.263 --> 00:47:39.713 was, "Okay, who is 00:47:39.763 --> 00:47:41.923 arranging a network 00:47:41.923 --> 00:47:42.953 of financial support 00:47:42.953 --> 00:47:43.533 for these people? 00:47:44.963 --> 00:47:45.753 Is there any?" 00:47:46.943 --> 00:47:48.093 And of course, the 00:47:48.093 --> 00:47:48.853 media would never 00:47:48.853 --> 00:47:50.723 talk or cover any 00:47:50.783 --> 00:47:51.733 question like that. 00:47:51.993 --> 00:47:53.423 But that's exactly 00:47:53.463 --> 00:47:54.843 what we need to do. 00:47:55.193 --> 00:47:56.823 If you see something 00:47:56.823 --> 00:47:57.754 like that happening, 00:47:58.183 --> 00:47:59.413 the first reaction 00:47:59.443 --> 00:48:00.833 should be, "We 00:48:00.833 --> 00:48:01.733 need to get a group 00:48:01.733 --> 00:48:02.764 together and figure 00:48:02.764 --> 00:48:03.923 out a way to raise 00:48:03.923 --> 00:48:04.783 money to support 00:48:04.783 --> 00:48:05.443 these people." 00:48:07.353 --> 00:48:07.623 Exactly. 00:48:07.623 --> 00:48:08.403 It's that simple. 00:48:08.403 --> 00:48:09.773 It's that simple. 00:48:11.233 --> 00:48:12.523 If it's your local 00:48:12.533 --> 00:48:14.943 data center that 00:48:14.943 --> 00:48:15.493 they're trying to 00:48:15.503 --> 00:48:17.303 get rid of and 00:48:18.043 --> 00:48:18.944 where I'm at, there, 00:48:18.963 --> 00:48:19.633 there are several 00:48:19.634 --> 00:48:20.573 city councils that 00:48:20.573 --> 00:48:21.224 are trying to bring 00:48:21.224 --> 00:48:21.983 these things in, 00:48:22.333 --> 00:48:22.933 and the people 00:48:22.933 --> 00:48:23.733 aren't having it. 00:48:24.083 --> 00:48:24.993 So now we're 00:48:24.994 --> 00:48:25.763 beginning to hear 00:48:25.763 --> 00:48:26.603 the stories about 00:48:26.604 --> 00:48:27.474 the pushback from 00:48:27.474 --> 00:48:28.073 the government 00:48:28.973 --> 00:48:30.153 sneaky visits by 00:48:30.153 --> 00:48:31.584 the local police in 00:48:31.584 --> 00:48:32.103 the middle of the 00:48:32.104 --> 00:48:34.014 night passing down 00:48:34.023 --> 00:48:34.734 the street with the 00:48:34.734 --> 00:48:35.844 s- searchlights on. 00:48:36.613 --> 00:48:37.283 This is the 00:48:37.283 --> 00:48:38.033 stuff that needs 00:48:38.033 --> 00:48:38.983 to be watched- 00:48:40.473 --> 00:48:41.504 And responded to 00:48:43.634 --> 00:48:44.463 if they wanna do 00:48:44.463 --> 00:48:45.443 that, then form your 00:48:45.443 --> 00:48:46.823 own committee and 00:48:47.413 --> 00:48:48.273 follow the police 00:48:48.273 --> 00:48:48.853 around when they're 00:48:48.853 --> 00:48:50.453 driving by whatever. 00:48:50.814 --> 00:48:51.513 But just do 00:48:51.513 --> 00:48:53.233 something to indicate 00:48:55.924 --> 00:48:57.163 to the authorities 00:48:57.173 --> 00:48:58.104 that you're watching, 00:48:58.113 --> 00:48:59.513 and something that 00:48:59.523 --> 00:49:00.923 in the process, let's 00:49:00.923 --> 00:49:02.053 go back to the Poles 00:49:02.053 --> 00:49:03.184 again, what they did. 00:49:03.673 --> 00:49:04.773 They're not trying 00:49:04.773 --> 00:49:05.843 to send messages 00:49:05.853 --> 00:49:06.644 to the government. 00:49:06.953 --> 00:49:07.783 They're trying 00:49:07.783 --> 00:49:08.863 to send messages 00:49:08.863 --> 00:49:09.843 to other people 00:49:12.175 --> 00:49:13.335 That's what I think 00:49:13.485 --> 00:49:14.425 really brought the 00:49:14.425 --> 00:49:15.905 COVID thing to an end 00:49:16.155 --> 00:49:17.595 because enough people 00:49:17.605 --> 00:49:18.955 started saying, "No, 00:49:19.605 --> 00:49:20.725 your vaccines are 00:49:20.745 --> 00:49:22.975 causing harm. I'm not 00:49:22.995 --> 00:49:24.615 taking them. I refuse 00:49:24.615 --> 00:49:26.205 to take them." and 00:49:26.205 --> 00:49:27.215 enough people did 00:49:27.225 --> 00:49:28.195 that, that the whole 00:49:28.205 --> 00:49:31.443 thing fell apart So 00:49:34.493 --> 00:49:35.423 I wish that we could 00:49:35.423 --> 00:49:36.183 get something like 00:49:36.183 --> 00:49:38.723 that started with 00:49:38.743 --> 00:49:40.093 the farmers and so on 00:49:40.093 --> 00:49:41.273 and so forth, or with 00:49:41.273 --> 00:49:42.393 these data centers. 00:49:43.493 --> 00:49:44.663 At some point, 00:49:44.743 --> 00:49:46.263 though- I'm 00:49:46.263 --> 00:49:47.483 optimistic, Elza. 00:49:47.523 --> 00:49:48.533 At some point, 00:49:49.773 --> 00:49:50.433 I think there's 00:49:50.433 --> 00:49:51.213 always gonna be, 00:49:51.213 --> 00:49:52.063 as you pointed out, 00:49:52.063 --> 00:49:52.663 there's always a 00:49:52.673 --> 00:49:53.733 triggering event. 00:49:54.833 --> 00:49:55.573 There's always 00:49:55.583 --> 00:49:56.533 some trigger. 00:49:57.463 --> 00:49:58.463 We haven't, in 00:49:58.463 --> 00:49:59.163 this country, 00:49:59.163 --> 00:50:00.463 reached ours yet. 00:50:00.813 --> 00:50:01.973 I think we will 00:50:02.233 --> 00:50:03.223 very shortly. 00:50:03.673 --> 00:50:04.503 I really do. 00:50:05.013 --> 00:50:05.613 It's gonna do 00:50:05.614 --> 00:50:06.833 something, and 00:50:06.993 --> 00:50:07.644 people are gonna 00:50:07.653 --> 00:50:08.813 get fed up enough. 00:50:09.073 --> 00:50:09.624 And I think 00:50:09.624 --> 00:50:10.273 it's coming in 00:50:10.274 --> 00:50:10.943 Europe, too. 00:50:11.293 --> 00:50:12.063 All the signs 00:50:12.063 --> 00:50:12.443 are there. 00:50:13.853 --> 00:50:15.223 You have significant 00:50:15.263 --> 00:50:16.713 cultural movements of 00:50:16.713 --> 00:50:18.273 resistance to global 00:50:18.293 --> 00:50:19.483 pol- global… I 00:50:19.483 --> 00:50:19.763 call it globaloney. 00:50:19.783 --> 00:50:19.793 To 00:50:22.253 --> 00:50:22.883 globaloney policy 00:50:23.123 --> 00:50:24.363 in your country, in 00:50:24.383 --> 00:50:25.663 Austria, in Germany, 00:50:25.673 --> 00:50:28.313 in France in Italy. 00:50:28.594 --> 00:50:29.483 Whatever you think 00:50:29.483 --> 00:50:30.403 of the political 00:50:30.413 --> 00:50:31.413 representatives 00:50:31.433 --> 00:50:32.373 of these movements 00:50:32.473 --> 00:50:33.273 I'm not concerned 00:50:33.273 --> 00:50:33.573 with them. 00:50:33.583 --> 00:50:34.953 You… I'm simply 00:50:34.953 --> 00:50:35.563 concerned with the 00:50:35.564 --> 00:50:36.793 fact that you've 00:50:36.803 --> 00:50:38.183 got these movements. 00:50:39.643 --> 00:50:40.973 And they are not 00:50:40.973 --> 00:50:41.913 gonna go away. 00:50:43.103 --> 00:50:43.773 They are not. 00:50:45.923 --> 00:50:47.513 W- here w- 00:50:47.513 --> 00:50:48.963 would… So Core 00:50:49.064 --> 00:50:50.873 was also stressing 00:50:51.533 --> 00:50:52.323 the importance 00:50:52.323 --> 00:50:53.503 of non-violence. 00:50:53.663 --> 00:50:54.083 Yes. 00:50:54.403 --> 00:50:56.323 And what I see 00:50:56.333 --> 00:50:57.223 happening and what 00:50:57.223 --> 00:50:58.194 I'm very concerned 00:50:58.194 --> 00:50:59.483 about in the 00:50:59.483 --> 00:51:00.543 Netherlands because 00:51:01.204 --> 00:51:02.344 is that they're 00:51:02.344 --> 00:51:03.063 shifting the 00:51:03.073 --> 00:51:04.473 monopoly of violence. 00:51:04.583 --> 00:51:06.803 So if you see when 00:51:07.643 --> 00:51:08.533 when revolutions 00:51:08.533 --> 00:51:09.763 break down or when- 00:51:09.773 --> 00:51:10.474 the people get the 00:51:10.474 --> 00:51:11.953 power back- that's 00:51:11.954 --> 00:51:13.113 when the p- police 00:51:13.134 --> 00:51:14.153 or the army doesn't 00:51:14.153 --> 00:51:15.073 wanna shoot on the 00:51:15.073 --> 00:51:16.063 civilians anymore. 00:51:16.073 --> 00:51:17.673 They disobey orders. 00:51:17.954 --> 00:51:18.224 Right. 00:51:18.823 --> 00:51:19.943 And what's happening 00:51:19.954 --> 00:51:21.173 here is that w- so 00:51:21.173 --> 00:51:22.423 we have police that 00:51:22.423 --> 00:51:23.383 is trained in the 00:51:23.383 --> 00:51:24.303 use of violence. 00:51:25.123 --> 00:51:25.953 But suddenly 00:51:25.993 --> 00:51:27.213 there are like 00:51:28.053 --> 00:51:28.543 enforcers who used 00:51:28.543 --> 00:51:29.483 to be enforcers of 00:51:29.483 --> 00:51:30.233 parking tickets. 00:51:31.094 --> 00:51:31.613 So they're not 00:51:31.833 --> 00:51:32.713 officially police, 00:51:33.333 --> 00:51:34.253 but now you get 00:51:34.253 --> 00:51:35.233 new classes, 00:51:35.503 --> 00:51:36.033 and they're not 00:51:36.043 --> 00:51:37.163 trained by police. 00:51:37.783 --> 00:51:38.973 And now some cl- 00:51:38.983 --> 00:51:40.153 of these classes 00:51:40.183 --> 00:51:41.563 of non-police are 00:51:41.564 --> 00:51:42.353 allowed to use 00:51:42.353 --> 00:51:43.733 weapons and even 00:51:43.773 --> 00:51:45.123 pistols guns. 00:51:46.163 --> 00:51:47.623 Then we have, we 00:51:47.623 --> 00:51:48.204 are part of the 00:51:48.204 --> 00:51:49.143 EU, so there's 00:51:49.583 --> 00:51:50.443 Eurogentfor, which 00:51:50.443 --> 00:51:51.963 is military police- 00:51:52.223 --> 00:51:53.654 on a European scale. 00:51:53.663 --> 00:51:54.464 So what happened 00:51:54.464 --> 00:51:55.153 during COVID 00:51:55.204 --> 00:51:56.243 protests, so we have 00:51:56.314 --> 00:51:57.643 really big protest, 00:51:58.254 --> 00:51:59.403 was that some people 00:51:59.413 --> 00:52:00.673 said, " there are 00:52:00.674 --> 00:52:02.043 cops here that you 00:52:02.043 --> 00:52:03.263 cannot identify, 00:52:03.273 --> 00:52:04.093 and we th- think 00:52:04.094 --> 00:52:04.783 they're not Dutch. 00:52:04.784 --> 00:52:05.224 They only 00:52:05.224 --> 00:52:06.193 speak English." 00:52:06.763 --> 00:52:08.503 So we, there were 00:52:08.513 --> 00:52:09.724 serious concerns in 00:52:09.724 --> 00:52:10.354 the Netherlands and 00:52:10.354 --> 00:52:11.363 also in France that 00:52:11.793 --> 00:52:13.393 the European military 00:52:13.424 --> 00:52:15.214 police was used 00:52:16.553 --> 00:52:17.573 to crack down. 00:52:17.583 --> 00:52:19.303 And these protests 00:52:19.303 --> 00:52:20.823 were very violent. 00:52:22.693 --> 00:52:24.893 And and then with 00:52:24.893 --> 00:52:27.273 the NATO because 00:52:27.273 --> 00:52:28.493 they say there is war 00:52:28.493 --> 00:52:30.213 with the, Russia 00:52:30.213 --> 00:52:31.023 is going to attack 00:52:31.023 --> 00:52:32.183 us any moment and 00:52:32.213 --> 00:52:33.353 going to occupy us. 00:52:33.753 --> 00:52:34.703 We need NATO 00:52:34.703 --> 00:52:35.493 expansion. 00:52:36.283 --> 00:52:36.943 And there are also 00:52:37.063 --> 00:52:38.173 all these policies 00:52:38.503 --> 00:52:40.183 to declare crises 00:52:40.183 --> 00:52:41.703 and to take over in 00:52:41.703 --> 00:52:43.183 t- case of crises. 00:52:43.223 --> 00:52:44.023 And I wouldn't 00:52:44.023 --> 00:52:45.673 be surprised if 00:52:45.713 --> 00:52:46.813 here they also 00:52:46.813 --> 00:52:48.863 say you, y- you 00:52:48.873 --> 00:52:49.903 must be able to call 00:52:49.903 --> 00:52:50.874 in the military. 00:52:50.953 --> 00:52:51.934 And then you have, 00:52:52.453 --> 00:52:54.693 again, foreign yeah, 00:52:54.693 --> 00:52:57.713 foreign f- foreign 00:52:57.734 --> 00:52:59.313 army occupying you. 00:53:01.373 --> 00:53:02.553 And I suspect that's 00:53:02.563 --> 00:53:03.783 perhaps m- even 00:53:03.783 --> 00:53:04.593 one of the reasons 00:53:04.593 --> 00:53:05.913 for NATO expansion. 00:53:05.923 --> 00:53:06.983 So if you look at 00:53:07.304 --> 00:53:10.543 the so the monopoly 00:53:10.543 --> 00:53:11.743 on violence, this 00:53:11.743 --> 00:53:12.653 is not a level 00:53:12.763 --> 00:53:13.643 playing field. 00:53:15.243 --> 00:53:15.343 Yeah. 00:53:15.723 --> 00:53:17.303 And so the only way 00:53:17.303 --> 00:53:18.333 we get out of this 00:53:18.363 --> 00:53:19.433 is actually, I think, 00:53:19.493 --> 00:53:21.294 nonvi- nonviolence. 00:53:21.783 --> 00:53:22.083 Yes. 00:53:22.923 --> 00:53:23.363 Yes. 00:53:23.623 --> 00:53:24.653 And so that… 00:53:24.743 --> 00:53:25.233 Sorry, that was 00:53:25.234 --> 00:53:26.573 a very long lead 00:53:26.573 --> 00:53:28.503 in, but did CORE 00:53:28.513 --> 00:53:29.943 provide training in 00:53:29.943 --> 00:53:31.213 nonviolence, and how 00:53:31.213 --> 00:53:32.173 did they do this? 00:53:33.683 --> 00:53:34.703 Yes, they did. 00:53:34.734 --> 00:53:35.443 Eventually, what 00:53:35.453 --> 00:53:36.543 happened inside of 00:53:36.543 --> 00:53:38.453 Poland was as, as 00:53:38.463 --> 00:53:39.873 the movement really 00:53:39.883 --> 00:53:41.483 began to grow and 00:53:41.484 --> 00:53:43.873 take root, they began 00:53:44.263 --> 00:53:45.124 to do something, 00:53:45.143 --> 00:53:45.893 I think, that is 00:53:46.493 --> 00:53:47.773 very significant. 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:52.729 Were, you're in, 00:53:52.739 --> 00:53:54.339 in, in Europe, 00:53:54.339 --> 00:53:55.109 you're familiar 00:53:55.109 --> 00:53:56.049 with the idea of a 00:53:56.049 --> 00:53:57.109 shadow cabinet, a 00:53:57.109 --> 00:53:57.989 shadow government, 00:53:58.039 --> 00:53:58.639 because you have- 00:53:58.749 --> 00:53:59.899 parliamentary systems 00:54:00.629 --> 00:54:01.229 of government 00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:01.939 in Europe, so 00:54:01.939 --> 00:54:03.929 that a political 00:54:03.939 --> 00:54:05.739 party that is not 00:54:05.749 --> 00:54:06.969 in power but in 00:54:06.969 --> 00:54:08.699 opposition will have 00:54:08.699 --> 00:54:09.649 a shadow cabinet. 00:54:09.669 --> 00:54:10.579 It will have all the 00:54:10.579 --> 00:54:12.309 leaders already lined 00:54:12.309 --> 00:54:14.579 up who, if they ever 00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:15.769 take power again, as 00:54:15.769 --> 00:54:17.459 to what ministries 00:54:17.469 --> 00:54:18.119 of government 00:54:18.169 --> 00:54:18.779 they're gonna put 00:54:18.779 --> 00:54:19.849 these people into. 00:54:19.949 --> 00:54:20.719 So in other words- 00:54:21.049 --> 00:54:21.859 you've got a kind of 00:54:21.859 --> 00:54:22.849 parallel government 00:54:22.879 --> 00:54:24.329 in waiting, okay? 00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:25.909 So this is the 00:54:25.909 --> 00:54:26.699 analogy I want 00:54:26.699 --> 00:54:27.369 people to latch 00:54:27.369 --> 00:54:28.629 onto about CORE. 00:54:28.629 --> 00:54:31.059 What CORE did, or 00:54:31.059 --> 00:54:32.259 what the Poles did 00:54:32.649 --> 00:54:33.789 it wasn't just CORE. 00:54:34.089 --> 00:54:34.729 There were lots 00:54:34.729 --> 00:54:35.279 of these little 00:54:35.289 --> 00:54:35.909 movements that 00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:37.379 started, and as they 00:54:37.379 --> 00:54:38.379 began to network 00:54:38.379 --> 00:54:38.989 with each other 00:54:38.989 --> 00:54:39.839 across the country, 00:54:39.839 --> 00:54:40.749 they realized 00:54:41.109 --> 00:54:42.529 that their real 00:54:42.529 --> 00:54:43.779 power was cultural 00:54:46.245 --> 00:54:46.965 And the government 00:54:46.975 --> 00:54:48.135 had none because the 00:54:48.135 --> 00:54:49.415 government did not 00:54:49.425 --> 00:54:50.385 share the culture. 00:54:52.095 --> 00:54:53.755 So they began to 00:54:53.755 --> 00:54:56.205 set up, so to speak, 00:54:56.275 --> 00:54:58.545 parallel institutions 00:54:58.565 --> 00:55:01.681 of culture They set 00:55:01.681 --> 00:55:03.461 up free universities 00:55:04.241 --> 00:55:06.091 that were not located 00:55:06.121 --> 00:55:08.131 on the University 00:55:08.131 --> 00:55:09.521 of Warsaw campus. 00:55:10.031 --> 00:55:11.531 They may be set up 00:55:11.531 --> 00:55:12.331 in the basement of a 00:55:12.331 --> 00:55:13.791 church or a meeting 00:55:13.791 --> 00:55:15.171 hall or somebody's 00:55:15.171 --> 00:55:16.041 home, whatever. 00:55:16.511 --> 00:55:17.611 But they started 00:55:17.621 --> 00:55:18.591 to create cultural 00:55:18.611 --> 00:55:19.491 institutions 00:55:19.491 --> 00:55:20.581 to parallel 00:55:21.221 --> 00:55:23.091 the official 00:55:23.251 --> 00:55:24.131 institutions. 00:55:24.161 --> 00:55:25.191 That's what they did. 00:55:25.531 --> 00:55:25.861 And they were 00:55:25.861 --> 00:55:27.081 very- successful. 00:55:27.841 --> 00:55:30.171 In fact Cardinal 00:55:30.171 --> 00:55:31.381 Wojtyla, the, that 00:55:31.391 --> 00:55:32.161 eventually became 00:55:32.161 --> 00:55:33.381 Pope John Paul II, 00:55:33.892 --> 00:55:35.431 was himself one of 00:55:35.441 --> 00:55:36.352 the people that got 00:55:36.361 --> 00:55:37.741 very heavily involved 00:55:37.781 --> 00:55:38.841 at that point in, 00:55:38.871 --> 00:55:39.761 in the movement 00:55:40.471 --> 00:55:42.281 when as Cardinal 00:55:43.071 --> 00:55:43.921 Archbishop of Kraków, 00:55:43.921 --> 00:55:45.791 he opened up the 00:55:45.802 --> 00:55:46.801 churches to these 00:55:46.802 --> 00:55:47.922 free universities 00:55:47.922 --> 00:55:48.511 and said, "Yeah, 00:55:48.511 --> 00:55:49.061 sure, you can 00:55:49.061 --> 00:55:49.841 use our space." 00:55:50.121 --> 00:55:50.761 That's what he, 00:55:51.151 --> 00:55:52.092 that's what he did. 00:55:53.311 --> 00:55:55.271 Yeah I think part 00:55:55.271 --> 00:55:56.531 of the non-violence 00:55:56.701 --> 00:55:57.891 aspect of things 00:55:57.911 --> 00:55:58.761 is you have to 00:55:58.761 --> 00:55:59.661 understand that, 00:56:00.341 --> 00:56:01.251 that if you're not 00:56:01.251 --> 00:56:02.181 going to trust the 00:56:02.181 --> 00:56:03.161 government insti- 00:56:03.431 --> 00:56:04.351 institutions of 00:56:04.351 --> 00:56:05.031 government, why 00:56:05.031 --> 00:56:06.651 would you respect 00:56:06.802 --> 00:56:07.952 their institutions 00:56:07.952 --> 00:56:08.711 of culture? 00:56:09.511 --> 00:56:10.101 Set up and 00:56:10.101 --> 00:56:11.442 establish your own. 00:56:12.702 --> 00:56:14.281 And additionally 00:56:14.871 --> 00:56:15.611 this is near and 00:56:15.611 --> 00:56:16.371 dear to my heart 00:56:16.391 --> 00:56:18.941 because we've 00:56:18.941 --> 00:56:20.112 seen European and 00:56:20.112 --> 00:56:21.321 American governments 00:56:21.381 --> 00:56:23.741 sponsoring movements 00:56:23.761 --> 00:56:24.812 of just absolute 00:56:24.851 --> 00:56:27.021 artistic ugliness, 00:56:27.281 --> 00:56:31.042 just plain awfulness. 00:56:31.351 --> 00:56:32.201 And it's been 00:56:32.201 --> 00:56:33.001 deliberate. 00:56:33.401 --> 00:56:34.352 It's deliberate. 00:56:35.071 --> 00:56:36.022 Because they want 00:56:36.041 --> 00:56:37.292 our existence to be 00:56:37.331 --> 00:56:38.801 ugly and miserable. 00:56:39.431 --> 00:56:40.731 They don't want us to 00:56:40.732 --> 00:56:41.711 be listening to Bach. 00:56:41.751 --> 00:56:42.351 They want us to 00:56:42.351 --> 00:56:42.991 be listening to 00:56:42.991 --> 00:56:44.691 Schoenberg and 00:56:44.691 --> 00:56:45.441 saying, "Oh, what 00:56:45.441 --> 00:56:46.341 wonderful music 00:56:46.341 --> 00:56:47.441 he composed." I'm 00:56:47.441 --> 00:56:48.491 sorry, no he didn't. 00:56:50.581 --> 00:56:51.881 On and on it goes. 00:56:54.491 --> 00:56:55.201 I'd rather 00:56:55.201 --> 00:56:56.651 appreciate Rembrandt 00:56:56.701 --> 00:56:57.491 than Jackson 00:56:57.491 --> 00:56:59.461 Pollock and on. 00:56:59.491 --> 00:57:01.192 And yet it's these 00:57:01.192 --> 00:57:02.352 people these 00:57:02.352 --> 00:57:03.931 modernist uglifiers 00:57:04.241 --> 00:57:05.041 that the governments 00:57:05.041 --> 00:57:05.761 have promoted. 00:57:07.261 --> 00:57:08.231 Think of the Obama 00:57:08.271 --> 00:57:09.551 Presidential Library 00:57:09.552 --> 00:57:10.241 in this country. 00:57:10.242 --> 00:57:10.932 It's, it looks 00:57:10.932 --> 00:57:11.761 like a bunker. 00:57:12.041 --> 00:57:13.051 It's an eyesore. 00:57:13.061 --> 00:57:14.141 It's ugly. 00:57:15.251 --> 00:57:15.821 And this is 00:57:15.821 --> 00:57:16.472 what the man 00:57:16.472 --> 00:57:17.811 inflicted upon us. 00:57:18.511 --> 00:57:20.291 So we need 00:57:20.331 --> 00:57:21.501 parallel cultural 00:57:21.501 --> 00:57:23.811 institutions, and 00:57:23.821 --> 00:57:25.031 institutions that 00:57:25.052 --> 00:57:26.451 identify with 00:57:26.451 --> 00:57:27.092 our traditional 00:57:27.111 --> 00:57:27.931 culture and are 00:57:27.931 --> 00:57:29.461 not at war with it. 00:57:30.731 --> 00:57:31.911 That's the key. 00:57:32.132 --> 00:57:33.561 So KOR did all that. 00:57:34.891 --> 00:57:36.691 How do you practice 00:57:36.691 --> 00:57:37.401 non-violence? 00:57:37.961 --> 00:57:38.912 Go back to what 00:57:38.912 --> 00:57:39.841 I said earlier. 00:57:39.841 --> 00:57:41.142 We have to understand 00:57:41.791 --> 00:57:42.621 that there are gonna 00:57:42.632 --> 00:57:44.032 be some sacrifices. 00:57:45.302 --> 00:57:45.971 Some of us are 00:57:45.971 --> 00:57:47.032 gonna go to jail. 00:57:47.941 --> 00:57:48.721 I'm surprised 00:57:48.721 --> 00:57:49.261 they didn't come 00:57:49.261 --> 00:57:49.891 and arrest me in 00:57:49.891 --> 00:57:50.951 my hospital bed 00:57:50.961 --> 00:57:51.901 during the COVID 00:57:51.912 --> 00:57:53.081 thing because of 00:57:53.081 --> 00:57:53.721 what I told them. 00:57:53.941 --> 00:57:54.931 I'm not taking your 00:57:54.941 --> 00:57:55.881 vaccine, period. 00:57:55.891 --> 00:57:56.381 I'm not. 00:57:57.132 --> 00:57:59.109 I'm not." You're 00:57:59.109 --> 00:58:00.279 gonna have to force 00:58:00.319 --> 00:58:02.469 me by force to 00:58:02.469 --> 00:58:04.389 take it, because 00:58:04.409 --> 00:58:05.809 I will not. 00:58:06.779 --> 00:58:08.369 It's not scientific. 00:58:09.699 --> 00:58:10.789 I don't believe 00:58:10.789 --> 00:58:11.769 your narrative 00:58:13.539 --> 00:58:14.419 And on it went. 00:58:16.799 --> 00:58:17.519 At the moment 00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:18.549 they use force, 00:58:18.549 --> 00:58:19.539 they've lost. 00:58:20.589 --> 00:58:21.789 D- so what happened 00:58:21.789 --> 00:58:22.649 in the Netherlands, 00:58:22.649 --> 00:58:23.839 we have a big square 00:58:23.849 --> 00:58:24.859 in The Hague, so 00:58:24.859 --> 00:58:25.779 that's where- our 00:58:25.779 --> 00:58:26.329 government is 00:58:26.329 --> 00:58:29.299 located And it's 00:58:29.299 --> 00:58:30.299 called Malieveld, 00:58:30.789 --> 00:58:31.719 and people- would 00:58:31.749 --> 00:58:32.719 go there because 00:58:32.969 --> 00:58:33.969 that's the place 00:58:33.969 --> 00:58:34.689 where people would 00:58:34.689 --> 00:58:35.679 go and protest 00:58:36.120 --> 00:58:36.320 Right 00:58:36.339 --> 00:58:38.669 And then at some 00:58:38.669 --> 00:58:39.579 point, then they 00:58:39.579 --> 00:58:40.659 would say this 00:58:40.659 --> 00:58:41.379 is illegal. 00:58:41.379 --> 00:58:42.259 You need to go." 00:58:42.309 --> 00:58:42.959 And they would 00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:43.949 funnel them into 00:58:43.949 --> 00:58:45.479 one place And then 00:58:45.479 --> 00:58:46.939 the place where they 00:58:46.959 --> 00:58:47.789 Th- that would be 00:58:47.789 --> 00:58:48.799 where the military 00:58:48.849 --> 00:58:49.779 police was waiting 00:58:50.329 --> 00:58:50.689 Yes 00:58:50.780 --> 00:58:51.959 And and 00:58:51.959 --> 00:58:53.009 they also use 00:58:55.209 --> 00:58:55.980 a agents provocateur, 00:58:55.999 --> 00:58:56.649 so it's called the 00:58:56.649 --> 00:58:58.409 Romeos here So 00:58:58.429 --> 00:58:59.269 they are dressed as 00:58:59.269 --> 00:59:00.659 civilians, but there 00:59:00.669 --> 00:59:01.419 are- videos where 00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:02.529 you can see them out 00:59:02.529 --> 00:59:03.710 of the police van, 00:59:04.299 --> 00:59:05.749 and it's also always 00:59:05.789 --> 00:59:07.409 them who initiated 00:59:07.930 --> 00:59:08.750 the violence 00:59:09.449 --> 00:59:10.549 Right and what's 00:59:10.799 --> 00:59:11.849 weird is that 00:59:13.250 --> 00:59:14.329 everyone that I know 00:59:14.329 --> 00:59:15.339 in this movement is 00:59:15.369 --> 00:59:16.779 really non-violent 00:59:17.309 --> 00:59:18.949 Right But then with 00:59:18.949 --> 00:59:20.119 these with these 00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:21.999 agent these Romeos, 00:59:22.399 --> 00:59:23.489 on the television, 00:59:23.539 --> 00:59:24.990 they will always say 00:59:25.579 --> 00:59:26.509 the protest movement 00:59:26.530 --> 00:59:27.199 was violent." 00:59:27.570 --> 00:59:28.719 And what's odd 00:59:28.759 --> 00:59:29.530 is that I know 00:59:29.530 --> 00:59:30.359 a lot of people 00:59:30.359 --> 00:59:31.399 who are watching 00:59:31.399 --> 00:59:32.249 from Twitter on a 00:59:32.249 --> 00:59:33.029 distance what was 00:59:33.030 --> 00:59:33.880 happening, and they 00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:34.940 were- very upset. 00:59:34.979 --> 00:59:35.809 They understood. 00:59:36.539 --> 00:59:37.419 But the majority 00:59:37.419 --> 00:59:38.439 of the people, if I 00:59:38.449 --> 00:59:40.289 speak on a playground 00:59:40.890 --> 00:59:41.719 at the school, 00:59:42.439 --> 00:59:43.719 they have no idea. 00:59:43.799 --> 00:59:44.609 They just think 00:59:44.609 --> 00:59:45.779 that the protesters 00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:46.389 were very ir- 00:59:46.429 --> 00:59:47.289 irresponsible 00:59:47.289 --> 00:59:48.019 and violent. 00:59:49.179 --> 00:59:49.649 And there is 00:59:49.659 --> 00:59:50.520 still a media 00:59:50.589 --> 00:59:51.659 monopoly on this 00:59:53.729 --> 00:59:54.419 This is the other 00:59:54.449 --> 00:59:55.089 thing I think 00:59:55.179 --> 00:59:56.829 that, that happened 00:59:57.429 --> 00:59:58.189 particularly 00:59:58.210 --> 00:59:59.529 in Poland, and 00:59:59.569 --> 01:00:01.149 particularly during 01:00:01.229 --> 01:00:02.339 the solidarity 01:00:02.349 --> 01:00:04.459 stage as the Warsaw 01:00:04.489 --> 01:00:05.400 Pact was literally 01:00:05.429 --> 01:00:06.449 coming unraveled 01:00:08.339 --> 01:00:08.929 And you saw it 01:00:08.929 --> 01:00:10.129 happen in Romania 01:00:11.190 --> 01:00:12.299 with Ceaușescu. 01:00:13.979 --> 01:00:16.299 The … As the 01:00:16.299 --> 01:00:17.520 movement grows 01:00:17.940 --> 01:00:19.249 and you be- you 01:00:19.419 --> 01:00:20.740 are beginning to 01:00:20.750 --> 01:00:21.809 be infiltrated 01:00:21.809 --> 01:00:23.849 with these agents 01:00:24.089 --> 01:00:24.189 provocateur, 01:00:25.169 --> 01:00:26.339 inevitably and 01:00:26.349 --> 01:00:27.229 naturally what 01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:28.709 happens is people 01:00:28.709 --> 01:00:29.859 start identifying 01:00:29.869 --> 01:00:30.479 who those agents 01:00:30.479 --> 01:00:32.519 provocateur are 01:00:34.759 --> 01:00:35.599 So in other words 01:00:36.099 --> 01:00:37.739 it's not at all 01:00:38.229 --> 01:00:39.539 out of the question 01:00:40.329 --> 01:00:42.729 for people to note 01:00:42.739 --> 01:00:44.889 down people of 01:00:44.889 --> 01:00:46.369 suspicious activity 01:00:46.379 --> 01:00:47.459 and character that 01:00:47.509 --> 01:00:48.589 constantly show up 01:00:48.619 --> 01:00:49.589 at meetings like 01:00:49.589 --> 01:00:51.659 this and play some 01:00:51.659 --> 01:00:53.119 sort of role in, 01:00:53.749 --> 01:00:54.559 in debunking it. 01:00:54.849 --> 01:00:55.599 Why is that 01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:56.139 important? 01:00:56.589 --> 01:00:59.199 Because when 01:01:00.349 --> 01:01:01.649 movements like this 01:01:01.689 --> 01:01:03.839 succeed, the last 01:01:03.899 --> 01:01:05.099 person you want to 01:01:05.099 --> 01:01:08.710 be is a collaborator. 01:01:10.129 --> 01:01:11.069 The last person 01:01:11.069 --> 01:01:12.089 you want to be when 01:01:12.089 --> 01:01:13.369 the Allies liberate 01:01:13.370 --> 01:01:15.069 Paris is someone 01:01:15.069 --> 01:01:15.779 that supported 01:01:15.779 --> 01:01:17.059 the Vichy regime. 01:01:18.729 --> 01:01:19.309 We know what 01:01:19.309 --> 01:01:20.779 happened to those 01:01:20.819 --> 01:01:21.849 collaborators in 01:01:21.849 --> 01:01:24.469 France, and it always 01:01:24.469 --> 01:01:25.599 happens to them. 01:01:26.139 --> 01:01:27.199 It happened to the 01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:28.409 Ceaușescu regi- 01:01:28.439 --> 01:01:29.619 well, the Ceaușescus 01:01:29.620 --> 01:01:30.330 themselves. 01:01:31.319 --> 01:01:32.439 It wasn't just their 01:01:32.439 --> 01:01:34.199 regime, but people 01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:35.439 that were identified 01:01:35.449 --> 01:01:37.249 with it became 01:01:37.259 --> 01:01:38.669 pariahs in their 01:01:38.669 --> 01:01:41.460 societies after the 01:01:41.460 --> 01:01:42.689 regimes collapsed. 01:01:43.399 --> 01:01:44.799 And again, that's, 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:45.659 we've got to 01:01:45.660 --> 01:01:46.689 understand, that is 01:01:46.709 --> 01:01:49.489 part of this process. 01:01:49.489 --> 01:01:50.519 It's an inevitable 01:01:50.529 --> 01:01:51.099 part of it. 01:01:51.779 --> 01:01:53.809 And it's during that 01:01:53.809 --> 01:01:54.859 phase where you're 01:01:54.859 --> 01:01:56.009 identifying people, 01:01:56.789 --> 01:01:57.989 when things begin to 01:01:57.989 --> 01:02:00.449 change over and in 01:02:00.449 --> 01:02:01.369 favor of the people, 01:02:01.379 --> 01:02:02.579 the last person you 01:02:02.579 --> 01:02:03.374 want to be is an 01:02:03.374 --> 01:02:04.559 agent provocateur. 01:02:04.569 --> 01:02:05.199 So it becomes 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:06.099 increasingly 01:02:06.099 --> 01:02:06.950 difficult, and this 01:02:06.950 --> 01:02:08.609 is why I think you 01:02:08.609 --> 01:02:09.389 need to take some 01:02:09.389 --> 01:02:10.459 encouragement from 01:02:10.459 --> 01:02:11.309 the situation you're 01:02:11.309 --> 01:02:12.639 describing in 01:02:12.649 --> 01:02:15.009 Holland, is when 01:02:15.009 --> 01:02:15.749 the government is 01:02:15.749 --> 01:02:16.889 resorting to force, 01:02:16.899 --> 01:02:18.179 this means that 01:02:18.179 --> 01:02:19.229 they understand 01:02:19.230 --> 01:02:20.069 they're losing. 01:02:21.129 --> 01:02:21.379 They're 01:02:21.379 --> 01:02:22.580 already losing. 01:02:23.129 --> 01:02:23.990 And if they're 01:02:23.990 --> 01:02:24.969 having to recruit 01:02:24.980 --> 01:02:26.809 agents provocateur, 01:02:27.509 --> 01:02:28.630 that indicates 01:02:28.630 --> 01:02:29.000 that they're 01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.069 in panic mode. 01:02:30.589 --> 01:02:31.419 It's happening in 01:02:31.419 --> 01:02:32.469 this country, and 01:02:32.469 --> 01:02:33.249 Americans don't 01:02:33.299 --> 01:02:35.019 understand that this 01:02:35.019 --> 01:02:36.409 is the stage of panic 01:02:36.929 --> 01:02:38.229 that our rulers in 01:02:38.229 --> 01:02:39.499 this country are in. 01:02:41.459 --> 01:02:42.079 They are in a 01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:42.939 stage of panic. 01:02:42.939 --> 01:02:43.640 They won't ever 01:02:43.640 --> 01:02:44.729 admit it publicly. 01:02:45.689 --> 01:02:47.079 But, eh, the 01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:47.860 fact that so many 01:02:47.860 --> 01:02:48.699 people are waking 01:02:48.739 --> 01:02:50.019 up and talking 01:02:50.019 --> 01:02:51.380 openly about this 01:02:53.810 --> 01:02:54.739 they've lost. 01:02:54.829 --> 01:02:55.309 They know it 01:02:57.703 --> 01:02:58.573 So I would like to 01:02:58.573 --> 01:02:59.653 add to that for the 01:02:59.673 --> 01:03:00.593 people in France 01:03:00.593 --> 01:03:03.023 and Germany- I 01:03:03.063 --> 01:03:03.673 interviewed 01:03:03.673 --> 01:03:04.283 during these c- 01:03:04.283 --> 01:03:05.693 COVID protest, I 01:03:05.743 --> 01:03:06.963 interviewed Nils 01:03:06.963 --> 01:03:07.823 Melzer, and he 01:03:07.823 --> 01:03:08.663 was back then the 01:03:08.663 --> 01:03:09.743 UN Rapporteur on 01:03:09.743 --> 01:03:11.413 torture, and he was 01:03:11.413 --> 01:03:12.563 starting research 01:03:12.563 --> 01:03:14.073 into police violence. 01:03:14.283 --> 01:03:14.673 Yes. 01:03:14.713 --> 01:03:15.723 And I asked him 01:03:15.723 --> 01:03:17.303 because I said I 01:03:17.303 --> 01:03:18.553 know why I am upset 01:03:18.823 --> 01:03:19.893 to witnessing this, 01:03:19.933 --> 01:03:21.453 but you reported on 01:03:21.483 --> 01:03:23.193 Abu Ghraib and war 01:03:23.203 --> 01:03:24.773 crimes- yes … And 01:03:24.773 --> 01:03:25.823 so why does this 01:03:25.823 --> 01:03:26.703 upset you?" And 01:03:26.713 --> 01:03:27.903 he had a very good 01:03:28.613 --> 01:03:29.653 explanation, but 01:03:29.663 --> 01:03:30.773 he was also saying, 01:03:31.073 --> 01:03:32.014 "I'm seeing the same 01:03:32.043 --> 01:03:33.163 thing in France. 01:03:33.523 --> 01:03:34.383 I'm seeing the same 01:03:34.404 --> 01:03:35.353 thing- in Germany." 01:03:35.814 --> 01:03:36.973 and he was planning 01:03:36.973 --> 01:03:38.343 a journey to, because 01:03:38.343 --> 01:03:39.403 he just had one 01:03:39.533 --> 01:03:41.793 journey a year for 01:03:41.823 --> 01:03:42.524 funding for it, 01:03:42.533 --> 01:03:43.723 so he was going to 01:03:43.723 --> 01:03:44.583 do three countries 01:03:44.583 --> 01:03:45.383 in one journey. 01:03:45.904 --> 01:03:46.943 But two weeks after 01:03:46.943 --> 01:03:47.683 this interview 01:03:47.713 --> 01:03:49.243 is he was out 01:03:49.243 --> 01:03:50.084 of his position. 01:03:51.193 --> 01:03:51.303 Unbelievable. 01:03:52.533 --> 01:03:53.493 But what you say, 01:03:53.493 --> 01:03:54.193 like what happened 01:03:54.193 --> 01:03:54.863 in the Netherlands, 01:03:54.863 --> 01:03:55.333 that happened 01:03:55.343 --> 01:03:56.133 here as well. 01:03:58.133 --> 01:03:59.103 So going back to 01:03:59.133 --> 01:04:02.273 KOR they also 01:04:02.273 --> 01:04:03.163 financially 01:04:03.174 --> 01:04:04.254 s- supported 01:04:04.833 --> 01:04:05.523 the dissident 01:04:05.534 --> 01:04:06.417 groups or the- 01:04:06.417 --> 01:04:07.433 Yes … The people 01:04:07.433 --> 01:04:08.333 who were attacked. 01:04:08.674 --> 01:04:09.494 Yeah, how did they 01:04:09.494 --> 01:04:10.593 organize and where 01:04:10.593 --> 01:04:11.254 did they get their 01:04:11.254 --> 01:04:11.963 funding from? 01:04:13.083 --> 01:04:15.733 I that is a weakness 01:04:15.733 --> 01:04:17.053 in Zozovsky's book. 01:04:17.723 --> 01:04:20.233 My guess is that 01:04:20.333 --> 01:04:21.494 you had people, 01:04:21.534 --> 01:04:22.094 particularly 01:04:22.123 --> 01:04:23.953 of when KOR 01:04:23.963 --> 01:04:24.974 started recruiting 01:04:24.983 --> 01:04:26.063 the intelligentsia, 01:04:26.073 --> 01:04:27.133 the professors, the 01:04:27.133 --> 01:04:28.153 doctors, the lawyers 01:04:28.153 --> 01:04:30.373 and so on, that once 01:04:30.413 --> 01:04:31.843 that started, that 01:04:31.843 --> 01:04:33.683 became a primary 01:04:33.683 --> 01:04:35.083 source of financing. 01:04:35.413 --> 01:04:36.553 Little gifts that 01:04:36.553 --> 01:04:38.033 people would tuck 01:04:38.033 --> 01:04:39.923 aside and save their 01:04:39.943 --> 01:04:41.123 kopecks or whatever 01:04:41.123 --> 01:04:43.113 and then donate 01:04:43.143 --> 01:04:44.184 to, to the local 01:04:44.213 --> 01:04:45.373 KOR representatives 01:04:45.373 --> 01:04:46.233 when they could. 01:04:47.893 --> 01:04:48.953 The other source 01:04:48.953 --> 01:04:51.243 of it I can just 01:04:51.244 --> 01:04:52.323 about guarantee, 01:04:52.333 --> 01:04:54.493 although there's no, 01:04:54.873 --> 01:04:55.843 as far as I know, 01:04:56.543 --> 01:04:57.673 there's no official 01:04:57.673 --> 01:04:59.463 record or archive 01:04:59.463 --> 01:05:00.113 of any of this 01:05:00.113 --> 01:05:01.043 type of activity. 01:05:01.073 --> 01:05:01.893 A lot of it, I'm 01:05:01.893 --> 01:05:02.633 certain, probably 01:05:02.633 --> 01:05:03.153 came from the 01:05:03.153 --> 01:05:04.253 Catholic Church 01:05:06.243 --> 01:05:08.063 because it's the 01:05:08.064 --> 01:05:09.613 one institution in 01:05:09.614 --> 01:05:12.143 Poland that maintains 01:05:12.153 --> 01:05:13.363 some semblance of 01:05:13.383 --> 01:05:14.883 independence from 01:05:14.883 --> 01:05:15.563 the communist 01:05:15.564 --> 01:05:16.104 government. 01:05:16.743 --> 01:05:17.413 It's the one 01:05:17.413 --> 01:05:18.424 institution that 01:05:18.424 --> 01:05:20.753 they dared not crack 01:05:20.754 --> 01:05:22.103 down on too heavily 01:05:22.943 --> 01:05:24.223 because that the 01:05:24.224 --> 01:05:24.783 Poles would have 01:05:24.784 --> 01:05:25.854 been just absolutely 01:05:25.913 --> 01:05:27.034 outraged by that. 01:05:27.144 --> 01:05:27.763 And it didn't 01:05:27.763 --> 01:05:28.353 matter if you 01:05:28.353 --> 01:05:29.293 were a believer 01:05:29.293 --> 01:05:30.113 or non-believer in 01:05:30.114 --> 01:05:31.073 Poland, that's just 01:05:31.743 --> 01:05:32.914 part of being Polish. 01:05:33.963 --> 01:05:35.244 So I strongly 01:05:35.244 --> 01:05:36.103 suspect that a lot 01:05:36.103 --> 01:05:36.794 of the financial 01:05:36.794 --> 01:05:38.523 support, particularly 01:05:38.534 --> 01:05:41.417 in those difficult 01:05:41.437 --> 01:05:42.967 initial stages 01:05:43.467 --> 01:05:45.217 came very covertly 01:05:45.377 --> 01:05:46.237 from the Catholic 01:05:46.237 --> 01:05:49.657 Church and probably 01:05:49.667 --> 01:05:50.767 in all likelihood 01:05:51.247 --> 01:05:52.537 from what few 01:05:52.567 --> 01:05:53.677 Protestant churches 01:05:53.707 --> 01:05:55.047 are there as well. 01:05:55.057 --> 01:05:56.487 So I would say that, 01:06:00.391 --> 01:06:01.231 It's also gonna 01:06:01.241 --> 01:06:03.221 come from the 01:06:03.221 --> 01:06:04.721 workers' unions. 01:06:05.171 --> 01:06:05.991 There is a little 01:06:05.991 --> 01:06:07.481 bit on that aspect 01:06:07.481 --> 01:06:08.741 of things in Zuzowski 01:06:08.751 --> 01:06:09.791 that the informal 01:06:09.791 --> 01:06:10.911 unions that the 01:06:10.911 --> 01:06:12.821 workers would begin 01:06:13.191 --> 01:06:15.341 to create around 01:06:15.371 --> 01:06:16.361 these local core 01:06:16.361 --> 01:06:18.381 committees, those 01:06:18.401 --> 01:06:20.011 unions collected 01:06:20.021 --> 01:06:21.351 dues, and oftentimes 01:06:21.351 --> 01:06:22.461 those dues were 01:06:22.461 --> 01:06:23.591 used as funds. 01:06:23.921 --> 01:06:24.581 So there's a 01:06:24.581 --> 01:06:25.491 whole bunch of 01:06:25.601 --> 01:06:26.731 informal funding 01:06:26.741 --> 01:06:27.761 mechanisms that, 01:06:27.801 --> 01:06:28.791 that they created 01:06:30.951 --> 01:06:32.341 So in the report 01:06:32.341 --> 01:06:33.271 Mr. Global in Your 01:06:33.271 --> 01:06:34.901 Street, I argue that 01:06:34.911 --> 01:06:36.081 we need to start 01:06:36.081 --> 01:06:38.271 financing the people 01:06:38.281 --> 01:06:39.521 who are going to 01:06:39.671 --> 01:06:40.651 go up against the 01:06:40.651 --> 01:06:42.341 local colo- policies, 01:06:42.961 --> 01:06:44.001 because that's what 01:06:44.001 --> 01:06:45.001 I see as a very big 01:06:45.001 --> 01:06:46.151 impe- impediment, 01:06:46.171 --> 01:06:46.801 is that- Yes 01:06:46.841 --> 01:06:48.851 that th- that the 01:06:48.871 --> 01:06:49.771 people who do it 01:06:49.801 --> 01:06:50.481 are people who are 01:06:50.501 --> 01:06:51.451 doing it a- next 01:06:51.451 --> 01:06:52.161 to their work. 01:06:52.771 --> 01:06:52.921 Right. 01:06:53.421 --> 01:06:54.091 And that's why 01:06:54.091 --> 01:06:55.041 it's not effective. 01:06:55.041 --> 01:06:56.001 It's just not enough. 01:06:56.001 --> 01:06:56.631 So I think- 01:06:57.521 --> 01:06:58.301 Take two or three 01:06:58.301 --> 01:06:59.591 people and give them 01:06:59.591 --> 01:07:00.781 a full-time salary 01:07:01.661 --> 01:07:03.121 and they can go get 01:07:03.131 --> 01:07:04.531 back to you with 01:07:04.591 --> 01:07:05.621 a newsletter and 01:07:05.621 --> 01:07:07.031 presentations and, 01:07:07.601 --> 01:07:08.251 but th- but they 01:07:08.251 --> 01:07:09.371 need to be supported. 01:07:09.441 --> 01:07:10.181 And the other one 01:07:10.191 --> 01:07:11.091 thing I was thinking 01:07:11.091 --> 01:07:13.232 is use cash, because- 01:07:13.281 --> 01:07:14.101 Absolutely. 01:07:14.111 --> 01:07:16.581 Ding ding. 01:07:16.581 --> 01:07:17.771 Doff my hat 01:07:17.771 --> 01:07:18.421 on that one. 01:07:18.711 --> 01:07:19.721 Ding ding. 01:07:20.731 --> 01:07:21.131 Yep. 01:07:22.431 --> 01:07:23.251 I heard y- heard 01:07:23.251 --> 01:07:23.771 you're having a 01:07:23.771 --> 01:07:24.641 little difficulty. 01:07:24.641 --> 01:07:25.161 Here, have 01:07:25.161 --> 01:07:25.861 some money. 01:07:26.341 --> 01:07:26.551 Yeah. 01:07:28.551 --> 01:07:29.711 Abso- I'm 01:07:29.711 --> 01:07:30.511 with you there. 01:07:32.181 --> 01:07:32.991 With the Canadian 01:07:32.991 --> 01:07:33.961 truckers, I actually 01:07:34.251 --> 01:07:36.362 know somebody, so he 01:07:36.381 --> 01:07:37.801 donated money on the 01:07:38.091 --> 01:07:39.122 Canadian truckers, 01:07:39.122 --> 01:07:40.241 and his bank 01:07:40.241 --> 01:07:41.072 account was blocked. 01:07:41.931 --> 01:07:42.371 I can believe 01:07:42.371 --> 01:07:42.401 it. 01:07:44.661 --> 01:07:46.022 Y- yeah so if 01:07:46.022 --> 01:07:46.831 we wanna support 01:07:46.831 --> 01:07:47.521 financially is 01:07:47.521 --> 01:07:48.192 first we need to 01:07:48.192 --> 01:07:49.031 start doing that, 01:07:49.032 --> 01:07:49.761 because it's not 01:07:49.761 --> 01:07:50.321 happening- Yeah 01:07:50.331 --> 01:07:51.201 … or not happening 01:07:51.201 --> 01:07:51.961 sufficiently. 01:07:52.411 --> 01:07:53.571 But secondly, we need 01:07:53.571 --> 01:07:55.971 to be able to just 01:07:55.971 --> 01:07:57.441 use money and it's- 01:07:57.441 --> 01:07:58.381 Yes … not possible 01:07:59.121 --> 01:08:00.241 if it's all digital. 01:08:01.812 --> 01:08:02.971 That's key. 01:08:04.641 --> 01:08:05.791 All resistance 01:08:05.791 --> 01:08:07.302 fails if they 01:08:07.302 --> 01:08:08.401 are successful 01:08:09.201 --> 01:08:09.982 in getting their 01:08:09.991 --> 01:08:11.681 digital financial 01:08:11.681 --> 01:08:12.901 system in place 01:08:14.111 --> 01:08:14.921 because it's nothing 01:08:14.922 --> 01:08:15.771 but surveillance 01:08:15.831 --> 01:08:16.501 at that point. 01:08:17.312 --> 01:08:19.011 I've, I used to 01:08:19.011 --> 01:08:22.351 do a lot of my 01:08:22.351 --> 01:08:23.331 transactions with 01:08:23.331 --> 01:08:24.421 my debit card. 01:08:26.572 --> 01:08:28.611 I almost completely 01:08:28.921 --> 01:08:29.621 have totally 01:08:29.621 --> 01:08:30.551 abandoned it. 01:08:31.961 --> 01:08:33.171 It's mostly cash 01:08:33.181 --> 01:08:33.791 that I use now, 01:08:33.801 --> 01:08:34.441 because I don't 01:08:34.441 --> 01:08:35.301 want them tracking 01:08:35.301 --> 01:08:36.451 me, for one thing. 01:08:37.091 --> 01:08:37.941 And sometimes I 01:08:37.951 --> 01:08:38.781 have to pay, yeah, 01:08:38.781 --> 01:08:39.672 I pay more at my 01:08:39.672 --> 01:08:40.621 grocery store because 01:08:40.621 --> 01:08:41.862 I don't have my 01:08:41.862 --> 01:08:42.582 grocery store 01:08:42.582 --> 01:08:43.831 reward card either. 01:08:44.201 --> 01:08:44.781 I don't want 01:08:44.782 --> 01:08:45.591 them tracking me. 01:08:45.881 --> 01:08:47.071 I'm just sick of it. 01:08:47.911 --> 01:08:49.202 So yeah, use cash, 01:08:49.202 --> 01:08:50.231 and that's gonna be, 01:08:50.252 --> 01:08:53.551 that's gonna be the 01:08:53.551 --> 01:08:57.142 one decisive place, I 01:08:57.142 --> 01:08:58.161 think, that everybody 01:08:58.161 --> 01:08:59.161 has to be aware of, 01:08:59.201 --> 01:09:01.961 is your fight, your 01:09:01.961 --> 01:09:03.291 resistance begins 01:09:03.301 --> 01:09:07.111 now, and it begins 01:09:08.261 --> 01:09:10.091 by using cash at 01:09:10.282 --> 01:09:11.461 every oppor- there 01:09:11.461 --> 01:09:12.351 are gonna be times 01:09:12.351 --> 01:09:13.291 when you can't avoid 01:09:13.291 --> 01:09:14.171 using your debit 01:09:14.171 --> 01:09:14.931 card or whatever. 01:09:14.931 --> 01:09:15.832 I understand that. 01:09:16.661 --> 01:09:17.641 But every time 01:09:17.642 --> 01:09:19.321 that you can use 01:09:19.321 --> 01:09:21.202 cash, you should 01:09:23.887 --> 01:09:24.777 Absolutely 01:09:25.227 --> 01:09:26.157 Completely agree. 01:09:26.587 --> 01:09:26.837 Yeah. 01:09:27.427 --> 01:09:28.577 Yeah, and and 01:09:28.587 --> 01:09:30.757 that that includes 01:09:31.387 --> 01:09:32.287 the money you put 01:09:32.287 --> 01:09:32.987 in the collection 01:09:32.987 --> 01:09:33.797 plate at church, 01:09:33.797 --> 01:09:35.507 that includes going 01:09:35.507 --> 01:09:36.367 and filling your car 01:09:36.367 --> 01:09:37.967 with gas or whatever 01:09:37.967 --> 01:09:38.907 it is you're doing. 01:09:39.287 --> 01:09:40.497 Use cash if you can 01:09:44.083 --> 01:09:44.203 Good. 01:09:44.203 --> 01:09:46.633 So an other thing 01:09:46.633 --> 01:09:47.723 that I noticed is 01:09:47.723 --> 01:09:49.043 that so the people 01:09:49.043 --> 01:09:50.213 who are speaking out, 01:09:50.223 --> 01:09:51.193 still in the common 01:09:51.193 --> 01:09:51.823 culture, they're 01:09:51.823 --> 01:09:53.243 very much ostracized. 01:09:53.273 --> 01:09:54.693 And a while ago 01:09:54.693 --> 01:09:55.583 for Solari, I 01:09:55.583 --> 01:09:57.343 interviewed Armin 01:09:57.343 --> 01:09:58.773 Krishnan, and he 01:09:58.833 --> 01:09:59.863 wrote a book on fifth 01:09:59.863 --> 01:10:01.233 generation warfare. 01:10:01.243 --> 01:10:02.533 So he goes from 01:10:02.593 --> 01:10:03.873 Clausewitzian war 01:10:03.913 --> 01:10:05.003 to the- Like 01:10:05.013 --> 01:10:06.093 mind for- warfare 01:10:06.093 --> 01:10:06.933 that we have now. 01:10:07.593 --> 01:10:08.683 But he had an 01:10:08.693 --> 01:10:09.803 interesting remark 01:10:09.813 --> 01:10:10.923 about fourth 01:10:10.973 --> 01:10:12.343 generation warfare, 01:10:12.343 --> 01:10:12.893 where he said 01:10:12.923 --> 01:10:13.723 that's basically 01:10:13.763 --> 01:10:15.113 counterinsurgency. 01:10:15.123 --> 01:10:15.713 So it's the- Yes 01:10:15.763 --> 01:10:17.863 … US occupying Iraq, 01:10:18.414 --> 01:10:19.924 and then there are, 01:10:19.924 --> 01:10:20.943 of course, a lot of 01:10:20.943 --> 01:10:22.294 rebels w- who don't 01:10:22.294 --> 01:10:22.773 want this occupier. 01:10:24.093 --> 01:10:25.313 And the strategy 01:10:25.343 --> 01:10:26.504 is that the people 01:10:26.504 --> 01:10:28.743 who are resisting, 01:10:29.123 --> 01:10:29.683 that they need 01:10:29.683 --> 01:10:30.973 to be ostracized. 01:10:31.433 --> 01:10:32.883 So they are part of 01:10:32.923 --> 01:10:34.663 their general Iraqi 01:10:34.663 --> 01:10:35.943 culture but the 01:10:35.973 --> 01:10:36.963 people, the Iraqis 01:10:36.963 --> 01:10:37.813 that are protecting 01:10:37.813 --> 01:10:38.843 them, they need 01:10:38.843 --> 01:10:39.653 to start seeing 01:10:39.653 --> 01:10:40.383 them as differ- 01:10:40.413 --> 01:10:41.753 dis- difference. 01:10:42.303 --> 01:10:44.653 And that's how they 01:10:45.043 --> 01:10:46.393 can be targeted by 01:10:46.393 --> 01:10:47.823 the foreign occupier. 01:10:47.823 --> 01:10:48.283 Yes. 01:10:48.283 --> 01:10:48.993 And I was reading 01:10:49.123 --> 01:10:50.024 this strategy and 01:10:50.024 --> 01:10:51.784 I thought, " this 01:10:51.784 --> 01:10:52.814 is actually exactly 01:10:52.814 --> 01:10:53.663 what is happening 01:10:53.843 --> 01:10:54.593 with the dissonant 01:10:54.633 --> 01:10:55.483 movement now." 01:10:55.883 --> 01:10:56.053 Yes. 01:10:56.083 --> 01:10:56.883 Because we're 01:10:57.123 --> 01:10:58.344 really in our own 01:10:58.344 --> 01:10:59.223 bubble, and it's 01:11:00.114 --> 01:11:01.083 very difficult to 01:11:01.083 --> 01:11:01.853 reach out of it. 01:11:01.864 --> 01:11:02.903 So I was wondering if 01:11:02.903 --> 01:11:04.044 you have any thoughts 01:11:04.044 --> 01:11:06.473 or advice on… Yeah. 01:11:08.963 --> 01:11:09.803 I'm certainly not 01:11:09.803 --> 01:11:11.203 an expert by any 01:11:11.203 --> 01:11:11.643 stretch of the 01:11:11.644 --> 01:11:12.813 imagination in these 01:11:12.833 --> 01:11:14.043 kinds of operations 01:11:14.193 --> 01:11:15.313 or psychological 01:11:15.313 --> 01:11:15.923 warfare. 01:11:15.934 --> 01:11:16.334 But 01:11:18.523 --> 01:11:20.483 I think the key there 01:11:21.853 --> 01:11:25.993 to is to understand 01:11:26.004 --> 01:11:27.343 that we are at war 01:11:27.863 --> 01:11:30.243 and act and behave in 01:11:30.243 --> 01:11:31.803 such a way publicly 01:11:33.989 --> 01:11:34.619 When you're in 01:11:34.619 --> 01:11:36.299 your everyday life. 01:11:38.019 --> 01:11:39.409 In other words, right 01:11:39.409 --> 01:11:41.739 now you and I are 01:11:41.809 --> 01:11:42.919 doing what we do 01:11:42.929 --> 01:11:44.039 for our livelihood. 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:44.769 We're giving 01:11:44.769 --> 01:11:45.589 interviews and 01:11:46.459 --> 01:11:47.669 we're gonna be 01:11:47.669 --> 01:11:48.459 listened to by a 01:11:48.459 --> 01:11:49.029 bunch of people. 01:11:49.029 --> 01:11:50.349 But we have a 01:11:50.369 --> 01:11:51.819 private life where 01:11:51.819 --> 01:11:53.289 we go buy groceries, 01:11:53.289 --> 01:11:53.939 we talk to our 01:11:53.939 --> 01:11:56.029 neighbors we walk 01:11:56.029 --> 01:11:57.569 our dog or whatever. 01:11:59.169 --> 01:12:00.559 In that life 01:12:02.735 --> 01:12:04.095 The goal is always 01:12:04.095 --> 01:12:06.245 maintain as much a 01:12:06.325 --> 01:12:07.985 low-key picture of 01:12:08.015 --> 01:12:09.485 normalcy as possible 01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:13.399 You're acting. 01:12:13.579 --> 01:12:15.269 We are just like, 01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:16.309 like your agents 01:12:16.309 --> 01:12:19.119 provocateur that 01:12:19.189 --> 01:12:20.119 come to disrupt 01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:21.739 meetings, we are also 01:12:21.749 --> 01:12:23.329 agents provocateur. 01:12:24.409 --> 01:12:25.679 We have to understand 01:12:25.709 --> 01:12:28.079 our role adequately. 01:12:28.369 --> 01:12:30.299 We are agents. 01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:33.049 We are on a side, 01:12:33.389 --> 01:12:34.109 and we have to 01:12:34.109 --> 01:12:35.359 comport ourselves 01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:36.339 accordingly. 01:12:36.849 --> 01:12:38.649 And that means in 01:12:38.649 --> 01:12:39.699 our personal private 01:12:39.699 --> 01:12:41.729 life we are low-key. 01:12:42.799 --> 01:12:45.119 We are low-key and as 01:12:45.129 --> 01:12:46.299 normal as possible. 01:12:47.179 --> 01:12:47.819 The other thing I 01:12:47.819 --> 01:12:48.799 would advise people 01:12:48.819 --> 01:12:54.169 is be very careful 01:12:54.409 --> 01:12:57.400 of your associations, 01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:00.939 particularly in 01:13:01.259 --> 01:13:02.769 personal one-on-one 01:13:02.779 --> 01:13:04.249 physical interaction. 01:13:06.419 --> 01:13:07.179 Always keep 01:13:07.179 --> 01:13:08.059 an eye peeled. 01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:09.019 I'm gonna sound 01:13:09.099 --> 01:13:12.109 nutty here, but when 01:13:12.109 --> 01:13:13.159 I'm out driving 01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:14.189 around, if I'm going 01:13:14.189 --> 01:13:15.049 grocery shopping 01:13:15.049 --> 01:13:15.999 or something, I'm 01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:17.289 always watching for 01:13:17.289 --> 01:13:18.509 people following me 01:13:21.775 --> 01:13:23.195 I'm always watching 01:13:23.205 --> 01:13:24.195 who's with me 01:13:24.205 --> 01:13:25.315 in a restaurant. 01:13:27.175 --> 01:13:27.935 In other words, 01:13:28.315 --> 01:13:29.445 always be on 01:13:29.445 --> 01:13:30.295 your guard. 01:13:30.635 --> 01:13:31.305 And I know that 01:13:31.305 --> 01:13:32.285 sounds bad too, 01:13:32.295 --> 01:13:33.365 but this is part 01:13:34.145 --> 01:13:35.245 of the situation 01:13:35.245 --> 01:13:36.135 that we're in. 01:13:37.055 --> 01:13:38.485 They are at war. 01:13:38.545 --> 01:13:39.175 People have to 01:13:39.176 --> 01:13:40.035 understand this. 01:13:40.075 --> 01:13:40.915 This is the first 01:13:40.915 --> 01:13:41.945 most important thing. 01:13:42.535 --> 01:13:43.815 Mr. Globaloney 01:13:43.845 --> 01:13:46.345 is at war with us 01:13:48.551 --> 01:13:49.801 The technocratic 01:13:49.841 --> 01:13:51.391 elite, the 01:13:51.401 --> 01:13:52.101 billionaire 01:13:52.621 --> 01:13:55.121 busybodies the 01:13:55.121 --> 01:13:55.911 international 01:13:55.911 --> 01:13:57.171 Marxists, whatever 01:13:57.171 --> 01:13:58.011 you want to call 01:13:58.011 --> 01:13:59.561 them, they are 01:13:59.561 --> 01:14:01.801 at war with us. 01:14:01.831 --> 01:14:04.121 We are in a war. 01:14:05.511 --> 01:14:06.921 And you and I are the 01:14:06.921 --> 01:14:08.681 soldiers in it, and 01:14:08.681 --> 01:14:10.131 we ha- therefore have 01:14:10.131 --> 01:14:11.651 to act accordingly. 01:14:12.951 --> 01:14:13.581 So in other words, 01:14:13.631 --> 01:14:14.721 be on your guard. 01:14:14.791 --> 01:14:15.871 Keep watch. 01:14:17.301 --> 01:14:18.301 Be mindful. 01:14:19.901 --> 01:14:20.871 All those things 01:14:20.881 --> 01:14:21.641 that our parents 01:14:21.651 --> 01:14:22.571 knew because they 01:14:22.571 --> 01:14:23.271 went through that 01:14:23.271 --> 01:14:24.231 whole generation 01:14:24.421 --> 01:14:25.051 that literally 01:14:25.051 --> 01:14:26.231 was in a war. 01:14:27.842 --> 01:14:28.511 We're gonna have to 01:14:28.511 --> 01:14:29.471 do the same thing. 01:14:31.121 --> 01:14:31.701 We're gonna have to 01:14:31.701 --> 01:14:32.571 do the same thing 01:14:36.871 --> 01:14:38.241 Yeah, so that's one. 01:14:38.321 --> 01:14:39.331 And I think also the 01:14:39.361 --> 01:14:40.841 other part where they 01:14:40.841 --> 01:14:42.331 are able to divide 01:14:42.331 --> 01:14:44.811 us is that if you, 01:14:45.031 --> 01:14:46.261 as you pointed out in 01:14:46.261 --> 01:14:47.721 your book, Microcosm 01:14:47.721 --> 01:14:49.711 and Medium, basic- 01:14:49.941 --> 01:14:51.131 the basic division 01:14:51.131 --> 01:14:52.011 is in culture. 01:14:52.011 --> 01:14:52.491 It's a different- 01:14:52.531 --> 01:14:53.941 Yes … cosmology. 01:14:54.381 --> 01:14:54.411 Yes. 01:14:54.421 --> 01:14:54.601 And 01:14:54.841 --> 01:14:55.651 it, and it's also 01:14:55.651 --> 01:14:56.661 different use of 01:14:56.661 --> 01:14:57.601 language and words. 01:14:58.291 --> 01:14:58.731 Yes. 01:14:58.741 --> 01:15:00.661 So if we wanna 01:15:00.661 --> 01:15:02.191 reach people on a s- 01:15:02.291 --> 01:15:04.171 similar level, then 01:15:04.731 --> 01:15:05.951 we need to start v- 01:15:06.121 --> 01:15:07.391 very carefully think 01:15:07.401 --> 01:15:08.431 about which words we 01:15:08.431 --> 01:15:09.551 use to- Yes … to 01:15:09.601 --> 01:15:11.652 reach them, and 01:15:11.701 --> 01:15:12.491 bring back our 01:15:12.491 --> 01:15:13.581 own culture again. 01:15:13.831 --> 01:15:14.931 I was wondering, what 01:15:14.931 --> 01:15:15.561 do you think are the 01:15:15.561 --> 01:15:17.601 most important words 01:15:17.871 --> 01:15:19.421 to focus on to bring 01:15:19.431 --> 01:15:20.481 back our culture 01:15:20.481 --> 01:15:22.081 and our cosmology? 01:15:23.001 --> 01:15:23.312 You're gonna 01:15:23.312 --> 01:15:24.311 hate me for this. 01:15:24.601 --> 01:15:24.831 Oh. 01:15:27.641 --> 01:15:28.671 I am a firm 01:15:28.711 --> 01:15:29.521 believer in 01:15:29.551 --> 01:15:30.761 traditional diction 01:15:32.807 --> 01:15:34.017 In other words you 01:15:34.017 --> 01:15:35.437 signal and this is 01:15:35.437 --> 01:15:36.467 a message I used to 01:15:36.757 --> 01:15:37.877 teach my seminary 01:15:37.887 --> 01:15:38.757 students when I was 01:15:38.757 --> 01:15:39.997 teaching in seminary. 01:15:40.727 --> 01:15:42.227 You signal your 01:15:42.227 --> 01:15:44.887 obedience to the 01:15:44.937 --> 01:15:46.557 Gnostic agenda by 01:15:46.567 --> 01:15:47.967 using the language 01:15:48.007 --> 01:15:51.321 that they use I 01:15:51.371 --> 01:15:53.981 avoid scrupulously 01:15:54.041 --> 01:15:55.641 and deliberately 01:15:55.651 --> 01:15:57.371 and intentionally 01:15:57.751 --> 01:16:00.211 every gender-neutral 01:16:00.321 --> 01:16:01.631 form of language. 01:16:01.881 --> 01:16:03.061 I do not talk 01:16:03.071 --> 01:16:04.781 about humankind. 01:16:05.801 --> 01:16:07.131 That's an invented 01:16:07.181 --> 01:16:09.361 word in the American 01:16:09.371 --> 01:16:10.941 English language to 01:16:10.941 --> 01:16:12.051 signal that you are 01:16:12.051 --> 01:16:13.121 going along with 01:16:13.121 --> 01:16:14.351 their new agenda. 01:16:14.791 --> 01:16:15.441 I use the 01:16:15.441 --> 01:16:16.141 old-fashioned 01:16:16.141 --> 01:16:18.681 word humanity or 01:16:18.681 --> 01:16:21.461 mankind and so on. 01:16:22.461 --> 01:16:23.601 That tells people 01:16:23.601 --> 01:16:24.611 right off the bat, 01:16:24.641 --> 01:16:25.971 I'm an old stodge, 01:16:26.001 --> 01:16:27.031 I'm a traditionalist 01:16:27.051 --> 01:16:28.001 curmudgeon, and I'm 01:16:28.011 --> 01:16:28.931 not gonna change my 01:16:28.931 --> 01:16:29.861 ways just because 01:16:29.861 --> 01:16:30.951 somebody tells me to. 01:16:31.551 --> 01:16:32.991 That will attract 01:16:33.351 --> 01:16:34.212 people of a 01:16:34.221 --> 01:16:35.151 similar mind. 01:16:35.791 --> 01:16:37.471 The other big bugaboo 01:16:37.501 --> 01:16:38.431 I have is with 01:16:38.431 --> 01:16:39.391 our contemporary 01:16:39.391 --> 01:16:40.911 politicians in 01:16:40.911 --> 01:16:42.201 America who've 01:16:42.211 --> 01:16:43.021 all of a sudden 01:16:43.041 --> 01:16:44.161 forgotten proper 01:16:44.181 --> 01:16:46.261 English and now 01:16:46.261 --> 01:16:48.401 refer to the Ukraine 01:16:48.571 --> 01:16:50.771 as simply Ukraine. 01:16:51.091 --> 01:16:52.551 I am gonna drop the 01:16:52.551 --> 01:16:53.511 definite article 01:16:54.131 --> 01:16:55.131 when I refer to the 01:16:55.161 --> 01:16:56.561 Netherlands or the 01:16:56.562 --> 01:16:58.011 United States or 01:16:58.021 --> 01:16:59.121 the United Kingdom 01:16:59.532 --> 01:17:00.511 because a bunch of 01:17:00.511 --> 01:17:01.831 politicians in Kiev 01:17:01.852 --> 01:17:02.962 told me, " that makes 01:17:02.962 --> 01:17:04.021 us feel bad and it 01:17:04.062 --> 01:17:04.992 makes us feel like 01:17:04.992 --> 01:17:05.601 we're still part 01:17:05.602 --> 01:17:06.811 of Russia when you 01:17:06.812 --> 01:17:07.641 say the Ukraine." 01:17:07.651 --> 01:17:08.551 No, I'm sorry. 01:17:08.651 --> 01:17:09.121 Tough. 01:17:09.611 --> 01:17:10.481 This is the way 01:17:10.492 --> 01:17:12.091 my language works. 01:17:12.861 --> 01:17:14.121 Suck it up, be a 01:17:14.121 --> 01:17:15.491 man, Volodymyr, 01:17:16.001 --> 01:17:17.171 and accept it. 01:17:17.181 --> 01:17:17.751 So in other words 01:17:17.751 --> 01:17:18.411 what I'm getting 01:17:18.411 --> 01:17:21.621 at is I know I'm 01:17:21.621 --> 01:17:22.902 sounding ridiculous 01:17:22.902 --> 01:17:23.811 here, but those 01:17:23.841 --> 01:17:25.591 little signals, those 01:17:25.591 --> 01:17:26.851 little compromises 01:17:26.852 --> 01:17:28.101 that people make in 01:17:28.111 --> 01:17:30.781 their language, if 01:17:30.781 --> 01:17:31.571 you're not willing 01:17:31.571 --> 01:17:32.501 to fight for your 01:17:32.511 --> 01:17:33.531 language, you're 01:17:33.531 --> 01:17:34.641 not gonna fight for 01:17:34.681 --> 01:17:36.231 anything larger than 01:17:36.231 --> 01:17:37.592 that in your culture. 01:17:39.281 --> 01:17:41.991 So in other words if 01:17:41.992 --> 01:17:43.152 you find yourself 01:17:43.181 --> 01:17:44.231 in a position where 01:17:44.231 --> 01:17:44.741 they're telling 01:17:44.742 --> 01:17:46.291 you, " you have to 01:17:46.291 --> 01:17:47.671 use this term or 01:17:47.671 --> 01:17:49.441 that term," that's- 01:17:50.001 --> 01:17:50.861 when the signal 01:17:50.861 --> 01:17:52.891 should go off that 01:17:52.901 --> 01:17:53.901 there's an agenda 01:17:53.901 --> 01:17:54.761 that they're pushing 01:17:54.761 --> 01:17:55.722 with these changes. 01:17:55.941 --> 01:17:56.621 And part of the 01:17:56.621 --> 01:17:57.871 agenda is they're 01:17:57.871 --> 01:17:58.991 just getting you used 01:17:59.011 --> 01:18:00.581 to changing whenever 01:18:00.581 --> 01:18:01.811 they say to change. 01:18:02.521 --> 01:18:03.212 Change for 01:18:03.212 --> 01:18:04.081 change sake. 01:18:04.331 --> 01:18:05.241 Oftentimes there's 01:18:05.252 --> 01:18:06.331 no other reason 01:18:06.341 --> 01:18:07.392 than just that. 01:18:08.451 --> 01:18:09.511 They cannot… 01:18:09.681 --> 01:18:10.642 And here's the key 01:18:10.642 --> 01:18:11.581 that gives it away. 01:18:11.812 --> 01:18:13.721 Can they give you 01:18:14.901 --> 01:18:17.001 an absolute red line 01:18:17.002 --> 01:18:18.011 in the sand when 01:18:18.011 --> 01:18:19.791 you've changed enough 01:18:19.791 --> 01:18:20.791 of your language 01:18:20.812 --> 01:18:21.591 to suit them? 01:18:21.812 --> 01:18:23.442 No, because it's 01:18:23.442 --> 01:18:24.421 the process of 01:18:24.422 --> 01:18:26.321 change itself and 01:18:26.321 --> 01:18:27.151 your willingness 01:18:27.151 --> 01:18:28.141 to go along with it 01:18:28.371 --> 01:18:29.671 that empowers them. 01:18:29.711 --> 01:18:30.431 That's why they 01:18:30.431 --> 01:18:32.951 can't stop, and 01:18:32.951 --> 01:18:34.161 they will never 01:18:34.381 --> 01:18:37.031 stop That's the key. 01:18:37.621 --> 01:18:38.491 So that's number 01:18:38.491 --> 01:18:39.901 one, don't go 01:18:39.901 --> 01:18:40.911 along with their 01:18:40.911 --> 01:18:42.371 linguistic demands. 01:18:42.701 --> 01:18:44.221 Use traditional 01:18:44.231 --> 01:18:44.631 diction. 01:18:44.641 --> 01:18:45.031 It will 01:18:45.031 --> 01:18:46.391 infuriate them. 01:18:48.971 --> 01:18:49.851 And the more they're 01:18:49.851 --> 01:18:51.381 infuriated, as far as 01:18:51.381 --> 01:18:52.121 I'm concerned, this 01:18:52.121 --> 01:18:53.231 is a nasty little 01:18:53.231 --> 01:18:54.611 tactic, but the more 01:18:54.611 --> 01:18:55.701 they're infuriated, 01:18:55.961 --> 01:18:56.571 the more they're 01:18:56.571 --> 01:18:57.371 paying attention 01:18:57.371 --> 01:18:58.131 to a bunch of stuff 01:18:58.131 --> 01:18:58.911 that they need not 01:18:58.911 --> 01:18:59.911 pay attention to. 01:19:00.681 --> 01:19:02.021 So go for it. 01:19:04.241 --> 01:19:06.051 Make them spend reams 01:19:06.431 --> 01:19:07.811 of columns in The New 01:19:07.811 --> 01:19:10.391 York Times or the 01:19:10.531 --> 01:19:12.091 Sunday London Times 01:19:12.091 --> 01:19:13.731 or whatever, ranting 01:19:13.731 --> 01:19:14.811 and raving about 01:19:15.831 --> 01:19:16.731 traditionalists like 01:19:16.731 --> 01:19:17.851 me that refuse to 01:19:17.961 --> 01:19:19.121 update the language 01:19:19.121 --> 01:19:20.001 and be gender 01:19:20.001 --> 01:19:20.671 neutral and all. 01:19:21.031 --> 01:19:21.811 Let them. 01:19:22.431 --> 01:19:23.511 Let them consume 01:19:23.511 --> 01:19:24.251 their time. 01:19:31.725 --> 01:19:32.265 Yeah, that 01:19:32.265 --> 01:19:33.165 will be one. 01:19:33.195 --> 01:19:34.505 And what I also see 01:19:34.505 --> 01:19:35.705 is that sometimes 01:19:36.675 --> 01:19:37.755 it's not different 01:19:37.785 --> 01:19:38.635 words, but for 01:19:38.635 --> 01:19:39.525 the same word, 01:19:39.625 --> 01:19:40.765 they are shifting 01:19:40.805 --> 01:19:41.545 the meaning of it 01:19:41.815 --> 01:19:43.375 I have a book a 01:19:43.375 --> 01:19:44.415 series of books. 01:19:44.745 --> 01:19:45.165 What you're 01:19:45.165 --> 01:19:47.395 describing are all 01:19:47.395 --> 01:19:48.705 the tactics of early 01:19:48.705 --> 01:19:50.125 Christian Gnosticism, 01:19:50.135 --> 01:19:51.075 and I want people to 01:19:51.075 --> 01:19:51.975 really hear me now. 01:19:52.595 --> 01:19:53.295 I want them 01:19:53.295 --> 01:19:53.895 to hear me. 01:19:54.545 --> 01:19:56.115 I wrote a four-volume 01:19:56.125 --> 01:19:57.475 set of books called 01:19:57.475 --> 01:19:58.345 God, History, and 01:19:58.345 --> 01:20:00.725 Dialectic, and I 01:20:00.735 --> 01:20:01.765 have a section in 01:20:01.765 --> 01:20:03.115 there on Gnosticism, 01:20:04.175 --> 01:20:05.635 and that section 01:20:05.655 --> 01:20:06.485 came out of the way 01:20:06.485 --> 01:20:07.805 I taught Gnosticism 01:20:07.845 --> 01:20:09.035 to my students when 01:20:09.035 --> 01:20:10.595 I was a professor 01:20:10.595 --> 01:20:11.535 in a seminary. 01:20:11.866 --> 01:20:12.366 Okay? 01:20:13.605 --> 01:20:14.775 Most of the time 01:20:14.785 --> 01:20:15.705 when you learn 01:20:15.715 --> 01:20:17.485 Gnosticism, if you 01:20:17.485 --> 01:20:18.495 go to a seminary, 01:20:18.495 --> 01:20:19.615 a Roman Catholic or 01:20:19.615 --> 01:20:20.645 an Eastern Orthodox 01:20:20.645 --> 01:20:22.055 seminary, and you're 01:20:22.055 --> 01:20:22.735 studying for the 01:20:22.735 --> 01:20:23.645 priesthood and you're 01:20:23.645 --> 01:20:24.865 studying Gnosticism, 01:20:25.395 --> 01:20:26.325 they will teach 01:20:26.325 --> 01:20:27.855 it as a series of 01:20:27.865 --> 01:20:29.985 systems of belief. 01:20:31.035 --> 01:20:32.145 We have Ptolemy and 01:20:32.145 --> 01:20:33.345 his system, and they 01:20:33.345 --> 01:20:34.315 believe this, and 01:20:34.315 --> 01:20:36.205 we have Basilides 01:20:36.226 --> 01:20:37.226 and his system, 01:20:37.226 --> 01:20:37.905 and they believe 01:20:37.915 --> 01:20:39.345 that, and on. 01:20:39.345 --> 01:20:40.115 Okay, no. 01:20:40.745 --> 01:20:41.065 No. 01:20:42.086 --> 01:20:42.635 You're learning 01:20:42.635 --> 01:20:43.145 systems. 01:20:43.145 --> 01:20:43.895 You're not learning 01:20:43.895 --> 01:20:44.655 the techniques 01:20:44.656 --> 01:20:45.455 and strategies 01:20:45.465 --> 01:20:46.055 and tactics. 01:20:46.075 --> 01:20:46.666 If you look 01:20:46.666 --> 01:20:47.335 at all those 01:20:47.335 --> 01:20:48.605 systems together 01:20:51.011 --> 01:20:52.141 Gnosticism is 01:20:52.151 --> 01:20:52.981 nothing but a 01:20:53.011 --> 01:20:54.451 set of strategies 01:20:54.481 --> 01:20:55.611 and tactics for 01:20:55.621 --> 01:20:56.541 institutional 01:20:56.541 --> 01:20:57.571 subversion, in this 01:20:57.571 --> 01:20:58.651 case of the church. 01:20:59.061 --> 01:20:59.631 But you can 01:20:59.631 --> 01:21:00.741 extrapolate 01:21:00.741 --> 01:21:01.631 those strategies 01:21:01.631 --> 01:21:03.541 and tactics and 01:21:03.541 --> 01:21:04.691 apply them to any 01:21:04.691 --> 01:21:05.561 institution that 01:21:05.561 --> 01:21:06.511 you want to subvert. 01:21:06.801 --> 01:21:07.561 And right at the 01:21:07.561 --> 01:21:08.602 top of the list is 01:21:08.602 --> 01:21:09.941 one, and I mentioned 01:21:09.941 --> 01:21:11.191 this in the book, is 01:21:11.191 --> 01:21:12.231 what you just said. 01:21:12.531 --> 01:21:14.321 They will take a term 01:21:15.631 --> 01:21:17.081 and redefine it in 01:21:17.081 --> 01:21:19.901 a special way that 01:21:19.911 --> 01:21:21.451 is unique to them. 01:21:23.071 --> 01:21:23.591 Okay? 01:21:24.041 --> 01:21:25.861 And then when they 01:21:25.861 --> 01:21:26.921 get really clever, 01:21:26.961 --> 01:21:28.121 they will impose 01:21:28.131 --> 01:21:29.181 that definition 01:21:29.211 --> 01:21:30.311 of the term on 01:21:30.321 --> 01:21:31.312 everybody else, 01:21:31.541 --> 01:21:33.021 so you signal your 01:21:33.021 --> 01:21:34.051 obedience to their 01:21:34.051 --> 01:21:35.691 agenda by using their 01:21:35.691 --> 01:21:37.251 term in their way. 01:21:38.861 --> 01:21:40.841 Again, don't do it. 01:21:41.041 --> 01:21:41.781 Y- it's the 01:21:41.781 --> 01:21:42.991 simple refusal. 01:21:43.001 --> 01:21:43.791 It's the simple 01:21:43.801 --> 01:21:45.161 ability to say no. 01:21:45.711 --> 01:21:46.661 The other thing 01:21:46.661 --> 01:21:47.681 they do is they 01:21:47.681 --> 01:21:48.891 will contrive 01:21:50.241 --> 01:21:51.011 what I call, they 01:21:51.011 --> 01:21:51.801 will contrive 01:21:51.811 --> 01:21:54.111 orthodox contexts. 01:21:55.161 --> 01:21:56.522 And by orthodox, I'm 01:21:56.522 --> 01:21:57.852 saying little O. In 01:21:57.852 --> 01:21:58.992 other words, they're 01:21:58.992 --> 01:22:00.231 going to try and get 01:22:00.242 --> 01:22:01.201 something over on 01:22:01.201 --> 01:22:02.432 people by making it 01:22:02.501 --> 01:22:04.342 look traditional. 01:22:05.981 --> 01:22:06.841 Just look at the 01:22:06.841 --> 01:22:08.211 revolution in the 01:22:08.221 --> 01:22:09.281 churches that has 01:22:09.291 --> 01:22:10.032 happened in the 01:22:10.032 --> 01:22:11.942 last 60 years. 01:22:12.501 --> 01:22:13.461 This has all been 01:22:13.461 --> 01:22:14.162 accomplished by 01:22:14.162 --> 01:22:15.202 people dressing up 01:22:15.211 --> 01:22:16.081 in the traditional 01:22:16.081 --> 01:22:18.271 robes, but using them 01:22:18.301 --> 01:22:19.601 and that authority in 01:22:19.602 --> 01:22:21.091 a revolutionary way 01:22:23.175 --> 01:22:24.205 So what are we 01:22:24.205 --> 01:22:25.175 facing right now? 01:22:25.185 --> 01:22:27.445 We've got a pope in 01:22:27.445 --> 01:22:29.615 Rome that's about to 01:22:29.615 --> 01:22:30.425 excommunicate a bunch 01:22:30.425 --> 01:22:31.495 of Roman Catholics 01:22:31.535 --> 01:22:32.285 for being Roman 01:22:32.285 --> 01:22:33.355 Catholic and wanting 01:22:33.355 --> 01:22:34.005 the traditional 01:22:34.005 --> 01:22:34.905 Latin mass. 01:22:35.245 --> 01:22:35.845 How does that 01:22:35.845 --> 01:22:36.415 make sense? 01:22:37.335 --> 01:22:38.075 That should tell 01:22:38.075 --> 01:22:39.335 you a revolution, 01:22:39.355 --> 01:22:40.576 an institutional 01:22:40.576 --> 01:22:42.055 revolution has 01:22:42.055 --> 01:22:44.025 occurred, and the 01:22:44.025 --> 01:22:45.595 guy in Rome is no 01:22:45.595 --> 01:22:46.995 more pope than I am 01:22:47.335 --> 01:22:48.525 because he no longer 01:22:48.525 --> 01:22:49.495 represents Roman 01:22:49.495 --> 01:22:51.195 Catholicism in any 01:22:51.455 --> 01:22:52.725 traditional sense. 01:22:54.005 --> 01:22:54.915 So in other words, 01:22:54.955 --> 01:22:56.225 th- the thing I'm 01:22:56.225 --> 01:22:57.045 trying to drive at 01:22:57.056 --> 01:22:58.895 here, Elza, is that 01:22:58.895 --> 01:23:00.045 this is a cultural 01:23:00.045 --> 01:23:01.605 war, and it has 01:23:01.605 --> 01:23:02.675 spread to every 01:23:02.675 --> 01:23:03.825 single institution 01:23:03.845 --> 01:23:04.725 in the West. 01:23:05.765 --> 01:23:06.875 You and I are in 01:23:06.885 --> 01:23:07.555 the thick of it. 01:23:08.775 --> 01:23:09.586 And whether we 01:23:09.586 --> 01:23:10.655 believe in the church 01:23:10.685 --> 01:23:11.495 or don't believe in 01:23:11.495 --> 01:23:12.415 the church, like it 01:23:12.415 --> 01:23:13.375 or not, all those 01:23:13.376 --> 01:23:14.815 institutions, whether 01:23:14.815 --> 01:23:15.705 we believe in the 01:23:15.705 --> 01:23:16.945 academy or could care 01:23:16.945 --> 01:23:18.135 less that we send 01:23:18.135 --> 01:23:19.205 our kids to college, 01:23:19.615 --> 01:23:20.535 it doesn't matter. 01:23:20.545 --> 01:23:21.365 All of those 01:23:21.375 --> 01:23:23.305 institutions are 01:23:23.335 --> 01:23:24.365 under threat because 01:23:24.385 --> 01:23:25.205 all of them have 01:23:25.205 --> 01:23:26.715 been penetrated and 01:23:26.715 --> 01:23:27.925 taken over by this 01:23:27.945 --> 01:23:28.895 type of Gnostic 01:23:28.896 --> 01:23:30.025 agenda that you just 01:23:30.025 --> 01:23:31.306 ta- talked about. 01:23:31.725 --> 01:23:33.985 So yeah, be aware of 01:23:33.985 --> 01:23:35.106 what those strategies 01:23:35.135 --> 01:23:36.356 and tactics are. 01:23:36.786 --> 01:23:37.555 Because once you're 01:23:37.555 --> 01:23:38.125 aware of them, 01:23:38.135 --> 01:23:39.115 they're very easy 01:23:39.115 --> 01:23:40.325 to see and then 01:23:40.326 --> 01:23:40.985 you just say, "No, 01:23:40.985 --> 01:23:41.535 I don't have to 01:23:41.536 --> 01:23:43.166 do that. I'm not 01:23:43.166 --> 01:23:43.835 gonna do that." 01:23:44.755 --> 01:23:46.995 But I do often think 01:23:46.995 --> 01:23:48.285 that I thought I 01:23:48.286 --> 01:23:49.406 would have a list 01:23:49.485 --> 01:23:51.346 of … Because I 01:23:51.346 --> 01:23:52.025 heard you com- 01:23:52.036 --> 01:23:53.065 make these type of 01:23:53.065 --> 01:23:54.085 comments before, and 01:23:54.085 --> 01:23:55.155 then I start paying 01:23:55.155 --> 01:23:55.975 attention, and you 01:23:55.975 --> 01:23:56.896 notice some things. 01:23:56.935 --> 01:23:58.465 But I'm pretty sure 01:23:58.466 --> 01:23:59.885 that I've adopted 01:23:59.945 --> 01:24:01.145 part of it without 01:24:01.146 --> 01:24:02.195 being aware of it. 01:24:02.615 --> 01:24:02.909 It would be almost- 01:24:02.909 --> 01:24:03.525 Oh, yeah, we all have 01:24:03.729 --> 01:24:04.542 … To have a list 01:24:04.542 --> 01:24:05.215 to, to have, ha- 01:24:08.255 --> 01:24:09.305 have the comparison. 01:24:09.315 --> 01:24:10.095 For example, 01:24:10.095 --> 01:24:10.856 something that I 01:24:10.885 --> 01:24:12.175 realized, when I 01:24:12.185 --> 01:24:13.535 grew up, so in Dutch 01:24:13.536 --> 01:24:14.336 you have similar to 01:24:14.336 --> 01:24:15.555 German, you have- Yes 01:24:15.825 --> 01:24:17.135 … A phrase for polite- 01:24:17.156 --> 01:24:19.925 le- so if it's if 01:24:19.925 --> 01:24:20.705 it's informal in 01:24:20.705 --> 01:24:21.285 German, it's du. 01:24:21.285 --> 01:24:21.545 Du, yeah. 01:24:21.985 --> 01:24:22.115 But 01:24:24.125 --> 01:24:24.275 if it's formal, 01:24:24.275 --> 01:24:24.595 it's Sie. 01:24:24.605 --> 01:24:24.625 Yeah. 01:24:24.625 --> 01:24:24.895 And we have 01:24:24.895 --> 01:24:25.545 something similar. 01:24:25.915 --> 01:24:29.026 So my my friend, she 01:24:29.026 --> 01:24:29.815 would even say Sie 01:24:29.815 --> 01:24:31.585 to her grandparents. 01:24:31.655 --> 01:24:31.685 Yes. 01:24:31.685 --> 01:24:32.325 And to me, that 01:24:32.325 --> 01:24:33.195 was very odd when 01:24:33.196 --> 01:24:33.985 I was growing up. 01:24:34.405 --> 01:24:34.595 Yeah. 01:24:34.845 --> 01:24:36.245 But at university it 01:24:36.245 --> 01:24:37.305 was very odd, because 01:24:37.305 --> 01:24:38.866 some professors, they 01:24:38.866 --> 01:24:40.215 would say no, it's 01:24:40.235 --> 01:24:41.875 jij, it's du." Oh, 01:24:41.875 --> 01:24:43.035 don't be so formal. 01:24:43.065 --> 01:24:44.045 Don't be like this." 01:24:44.786 --> 01:24:45.765 And others would 01:24:45.775 --> 01:24:46.776 be really offended, 01:24:46.796 --> 01:24:48.876 if you would say 01:24:48.876 --> 01:24:49.636 the on- But so it 01:24:49.636 --> 01:24:50.815 was very confusing 01:24:50.825 --> 01:24:51.815 sometimes, because 01:24:51.815 --> 01:24:53.885 you think you try 01:24:53.885 --> 01:24:54.525 to assess in the 01:24:54.525 --> 01:24:55.475 situation, "What do 01:24:55.476 --> 01:24:56.535 I have to use now?" 01:24:56.935 --> 01:24:57.985 And when you s- 01:24:58.015 --> 01:24:59.115 understand oh, 01:24:59.116 --> 01:25:00.056 there's an agenda for 01:25:00.095 --> 01:25:01.286 cultural change- Yes 01:25:01.355 --> 01:25:01.995 … and I also thought, 01:25:02.226 --> 01:25:02.925 "What i- what is 01:25:02.925 --> 01:25:03.815 this doing?" And I 01:25:03.845 --> 01:25:06.195 thought, " if I have 01:25:06.195 --> 01:25:08.086 a polite politeness, 01:25:08.455 --> 01:25:09.276 then I'm having 01:25:09.276 --> 01:25:10.575 respect of somebody's 01:25:10.616 --> 01:25:10.875 authority." Bingo. 01:25:11.525 --> 01:25:12.015 Yes. 01:25:13.285 --> 01:25:14.035 And, but it's 01:25:14.035 --> 01:25:15.975 also not everyone 01:25:15.985 --> 01:25:16.855 is your friend. 01:25:17.235 --> 01:25:18.155 So- Exactly … I 01:25:18.155 --> 01:25:19.435 actually like it 01:25:19.445 --> 01:25:20.355 when some people are 01:25:20.355 --> 01:25:21.305 very close to you, 01:25:21.415 --> 01:25:22.695 so it's informal. 01:25:22.705 --> 01:25:22.735 Yes. 01:25:22.765 --> 01:25:23.885 And other people are 01:25:23.895 --> 01:25:25.435 not close, so I show 01:25:25.515 --> 01:25:26.595 also respect, but 01:25:26.615 --> 01:25:27.935 also some formality. 01:25:30.285 --> 01:25:31.345 So it seems very 01:25:31.355 --> 01:25:32.325 small, but I thought, 01:25:32.375 --> 01:25:33.605 oh, this is very part 01:25:33.635 --> 01:25:34.575 of that leveling- 01:25:34.575 --> 01:25:35.915 Yes, it… I'm so 01:25:35.915 --> 01:25:36.645 glad you mentioned 01:25:36.655 --> 01:25:37.615 that, Elza, because 01:25:37.615 --> 01:25:38.495 I wanna tell you 01:25:39.615 --> 01:25:40.735 when I, back when 01:25:40.745 --> 01:25:42.715 I was a professor 01:25:42.735 --> 01:25:45.265 in college, I would 01:25:45.275 --> 01:25:47.305 never, like most 01:25:47.305 --> 01:25:48.355 American professors 01:25:48.366 --> 01:25:50.105 do, I would never 01:25:50.155 --> 01:25:51.495 address my students 01:25:51.505 --> 01:25:52.765 by their first name. 01:25:53.296 --> 01:25:55.935 It was always Mr. Or 01:25:55.935 --> 01:25:57.305 Miss Such-and-Such, 01:25:57.775 --> 01:25:59.165 or Ms. Such-and-Such, 01:25:59.175 --> 01:26:00.685 or Mr. Such-and-Such. 01:26:01.175 --> 01:26:02.455 It was always a 01:26:02.465 --> 01:26:03.335 formal address, 01:26:03.355 --> 01:26:04.205 and I actually had 01:26:04.206 --> 01:26:06.405 students raise their 01:26:06.405 --> 01:26:06.995 hand and say, "No, 01:26:06.995 --> 01:26:08.275 you can call me Jim." 01:26:09.715 --> 01:26:10.915 And that gave me the 01:26:10.915 --> 01:26:12.165 opportunity to tell 01:26:12.165 --> 01:26:13.255 my students exactly 01:26:13.255 --> 01:26:14.215 what you just said. 01:26:14.775 --> 01:26:16.055 I s- and I told 01:26:16.085 --> 01:26:17.245 many students this. 01:26:18.075 --> 01:26:19.096 I said, "I am not 01:26:19.096 --> 01:26:20.055 calling you by your 01:26:20.055 --> 01:26:20.995 first name because 01:26:21.025 --> 01:26:22.485 I am not presuming 01:26:23.205 --> 01:26:24.766 an intimacy or 01:26:24.766 --> 01:26:26.206 friendship with you, 01:26:26.965 --> 01:26:28.026 and nor am I going 01:26:28.026 --> 01:26:29.435 to impose one on 01:26:29.435 --> 01:26:30.666 you by addressing 01:26:30.666 --> 01:26:31.835 you informally. 01:26:32.695 --> 01:26:33.715 I'm addressing you 01:26:33.715 --> 01:26:34.755 this way out of 01:26:34.755 --> 01:26:35.865 respect and out 01:26:35.866 --> 01:26:37.135 of courtesy, the 01:26:37.135 --> 01:26:38.405 same as you address 01:26:38.435 --> 01:26:39.845 me as Dr. Farrell 01:26:40.046 --> 01:26:41.265 and not as Joe." 01:26:44.089 --> 01:26:47.919 Courtesy is part of 01:26:47.919 --> 01:26:48.929 this culture that 01:26:48.929 --> 01:26:49.559 they are trying 01:26:49.559 --> 01:26:50.459 to get rid of. 01:26:50.659 --> 01:26:51.309 Why? 01:26:52.439 --> 01:26:53.069 Why? 01:26:54.229 --> 01:26:55.279 Because that kind 01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:56.049 of courtesy, the 01:26:56.049 --> 01:26:56.919 courtesy that you 01:26:56.919 --> 01:26:57.969 have that formal 01:26:57.969 --> 01:26:59.589 address in Dutch or 01:26:59.589 --> 01:27:00.779 that formal address 01:27:00.779 --> 01:27:01.909 in German, and by 01:27:01.909 --> 01:27:02.699 the way, we have it 01:27:02.699 --> 01:27:03.499 in English, we've 01:27:03.499 --> 01:27:04.389 just lost most of 01:27:04.389 --> 01:27:06.009 our inflections, so 01:27:06.009 --> 01:27:06.919 we're not aware of 01:27:06.919 --> 01:27:08.219 it as much anymore. 01:27:08.619 --> 01:27:09.559 But you'll be aware 01:27:09.559 --> 01:27:10.319 of it if you go to 01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:11.439 an Episcopal church 01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:12.409 that still uses the 01:27:12.409 --> 01:27:13.559 liturgical language, 01:27:13.759 --> 01:27:14.909 thee and thou for 01:27:14.909 --> 01:27:16.549 God, not you who. 01:27:17.339 --> 01:27:17.909 Okay? 01:27:18.679 --> 01:27:19.490 Why is that 01:27:19.490 --> 01:27:20.060 significant? 01:27:20.099 --> 01:27:20.929 Because thee and 01:27:20.939 --> 01:27:22.789 thou is actually the 01:27:22.879 --> 01:27:24.329 familiar address. 01:27:25.639 --> 01:27:26.129 It's the 01:27:26.150 --> 01:27:27.509 intimate address. 01:27:28.769 --> 01:27:30.129 The you who that 01:27:30.129 --> 01:27:31.609 they claim to be with 01:27:31.609 --> 01:27:33.279 it and contemporary 01:27:33.509 --> 01:27:34.889 is actually in v- 01:27:35.029 --> 01:27:35.969 is actually the 01:27:35.979 --> 01:27:37.380 formal address. 01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:39.109 It's keeping God 01:27:39.109 --> 01:27:40.369 at a distance. 01:27:41.829 --> 01:27:42.389 And that's what 01:27:42.389 --> 01:27:43.179 their liturgies 01:27:43.639 --> 01:27:44.409 don't they? 01:27:45.519 --> 01:27:46.649 So in other words 01:27:48.469 --> 01:27:50.469 culturally what 01:27:50.469 --> 01:27:51.179 they're attempting 01:27:51.219 --> 01:27:52.719 to do is, again, 01:27:53.169 --> 01:27:54.609 flatten everything 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:56.749 so that there is no 01:27:56.769 --> 01:27:58.659 distinction, so that 01:27:58.679 --> 01:28:00.310 there's no hierarchy. 01:28:01.239 --> 01:28:02.359 And when there is no 01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:03.689 hierarchy, what you 01:28:03.699 --> 01:28:05.369 lose ultimately is 01:28:05.370 --> 01:28:06.630 the idea that every 01:28:06.630 --> 01:28:08.060 single individual is 01:28:08.060 --> 01:28:10.630 so absolutely unique 01:28:12.679 --> 01:28:13.969 That they are always 01:28:14.009 --> 01:28:15.869 worthy of some sort 01:28:15.869 --> 01:28:16.889 of formal respect. 01:28:16.949 --> 01:28:18.149 That's the key. 01:28:19.009 --> 01:28:19.569 People think 01:28:19.569 --> 01:28:20.459 hierarchy and 01:28:20.459 --> 01:28:21.749 equality are opposed. 01:28:21.779 --> 01:28:22.649 No, th- they 01:28:22.659 --> 01:28:24.119 support each other. 01:28:25.089 --> 01:28:26.439 Genuine hierarchy 01:28:26.689 --> 01:28:27.479 and genuine 01:28:27.569 --> 01:28:28.639 equality always 01:28:28.649 --> 01:28:29.649 support each other. 01:28:30.059 --> 01:28:31.169 The kind of equality 01:28:31.169 --> 01:28:31.949 that they're trying 01:28:31.949 --> 01:28:32.589 to drive where 01:28:32.589 --> 01:28:33.549 everybody becomes 01:28:33.549 --> 01:28:35.699 a homogenous cog 01:28:35.699 --> 01:28:37.799 in a wheel no. 01:28:38.759 --> 01:28:39.289 They're trying to 01:28:39.299 --> 01:28:39.889 get rid of your 01:28:39.889 --> 01:28:40.919 individuality 01:28:40.919 --> 01:28:41.219 when they're 01:28:41.219 --> 01:28:41.989 doing that stuff. 01:28:41.989 --> 01:28:43.419 So yeah, I'm totally 01:28:43.419 --> 01:28:45.379 with you because I 01:28:45.380 --> 01:28:46.639 made it a point back 01:28:46.639 --> 01:28:47.739 when I was a teacher 01:28:48.359 --> 01:28:49.939 always formal address 01:28:49.939 --> 01:28:50.789 with my students. 01:28:51.059 --> 01:28:53.219 Never any sort of 01:28:53.259 --> 01:28:54.479 informality, because 01:28:54.489 --> 01:28:55.609 I'm presuming 01:28:56.549 --> 01:28:57.869 a relationship 01:28:57.869 --> 01:28:59.109 with them that 01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:00.139 I do not have. 01:29:00.149 --> 01:29:01.169 Our relationship 01:29:01.169 --> 01:29:01.779 is strictly 01:29:01.779 --> 01:29:02.529 professional. 01:29:02.829 --> 01:29:04.239 You're paying me to 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:06.859 teach you this okay? 01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:07.779 And that's what 01:29:07.779 --> 01:29:08.729 I'm here to do. 01:29:09.040 --> 01:29:10.099 Our relationship 01:29:10.129 --> 01:29:11.229 ends at that point. 01:29:11.769 --> 01:29:12.989 And I go home, you 01:29:12.989 --> 01:29:14.099 go home, and we 01:29:14.099 --> 01:29:14.969 forget about each 01:29:14.969 --> 01:29:17.649 other, so yeah 01:29:17.909 --> 01:29:19.049 I'm totally there. 01:29:19.639 --> 01:29:20.539 Totally there 01:29:23.967 --> 01:29:26.487 So to go on with 01:29:26.487 --> 01:29:27.367 that, so part of 01:29:27.367 --> 01:29:28.147 the culture is the 01:29:28.147 --> 01:29:29.347 language, but what 01:29:29.347 --> 01:29:30.097 I also thought 01:29:30.117 --> 01:29:31.347 is do we really 01:29:31.347 --> 01:29:32.337 understand still 01:29:32.337 --> 01:29:33.477 what our culture is? 01:29:33.937 --> 01:29:35.487 And I want to give 01:29:35.487 --> 01:29:36.547 an example with that. 01:29:36.607 --> 01:29:37.927 Is this, so y- 01:29:37.937 --> 01:29:39.707 we have the King 01:29:39.717 --> 01:29:40.997 Willem, and he is 01:29:42.337 --> 01:29:43.747 i- he is married 01:29:43.757 --> 01:29:45.127 to Q- Maxima. 01:29:45.127 --> 01:29:46.997 Maxima Zorreguieta 01:29:47.007 --> 01:29:47.667 from Argentine. 01:29:49.217 --> 01:29:50.827 And when she came to 01:29:50.827 --> 01:29:52.127 the Netherlands, she 01:29:52.127 --> 01:29:53.227 traveled all the way 01:29:53.227 --> 01:29:54.087 through Netherlands 01:29:54.117 --> 01:29:55.327 and was introduced 01:29:55.327 --> 01:29:56.627 to all these cities. 01:29:57.477 --> 01:29:58.467 And then they asked 01:29:58.467 --> 01:30:00.988 her, "So do you, what 01:30:00.988 --> 01:30:01.997 is your impression of 01:30:02.017 --> 01:30:03.057 the Dutch culture?" 01:30:03.817 --> 01:30:05.257 And she said, "Oh, 01:30:05.307 --> 01:30:05.967 I don't know what 01:30:05.967 --> 01:30:06.957 it is. I'm not sure 01:30:06.957 --> 01:30:08.057 if there is e- even 01:30:08.057 --> 01:30:08.937 a Dutch culture." 01:30:12.753 --> 01:30:13.253 And a lot of 01:30:13.733 --> 01:30:14.263 people, they were 01:30:14.263 --> 01:30:15.593 like, " I don't know. 01:30:15.643 --> 01:30:16.223 Perhaps she's… 01:30:16.833 --> 01:30:17.323 We have an 01:30:17.333 --> 01:30:18.383 undefined culture. 01:30:18.413 --> 01:30:19.013 We don't really 01:30:19.013 --> 01:30:19.813 have a culture." 01:30:19.893 --> 01:30:21.843 So- … If you 01:30:21.843 --> 01:30:22.403 don't know what 01:30:22.403 --> 01:30:23.793 your culture is, how 01:30:23.793 --> 01:30:24.853 can you defend it? 01:30:25.413 --> 01:30:26.433 That's the problem. 01:30:27.013 --> 01:30:27.463 Yes. 01:30:28.333 --> 01:30:29.353 Th- this is the 01:30:29.353 --> 01:30:30.003 problem, and this 01:30:30.003 --> 01:30:30.783 goes back to what I 01:30:30.793 --> 01:30:31.743 said before about, 01:30:31.773 --> 01:30:33.283 about the technocrat 01:30:34.083 --> 01:30:35.203 and process. 01:30:36.423 --> 01:30:37.613 America is a, 01:30:37.693 --> 01:30:38.383 the American 01:30:38.393 --> 01:30:39.153 government is a 01:30:39.163 --> 01:30:40.243 process government. 01:30:42.013 --> 01:30:43.233 And the reason why 01:30:43.243 --> 01:30:44.433 is when the country, 01:30:44.473 --> 01:30:45.083 when the current 01:30:45.083 --> 01:30:45.993 constitution of the 01:30:45.993 --> 01:30:47.033 country was adopted, 01:30:47.034 --> 01:30:48.444 you had two very 01:30:48.444 --> 01:30:49.633 different cultures 01:30:49.653 --> 01:30:50.543 in this country. 01:30:50.993 --> 01:30:52.043 You had the free 01:30:52.083 --> 01:30:53.023 entrepreneurial 01:30:53.034 --> 01:30:54.023 industrial North, 01:30:54.043 --> 01:30:54.593 and you had the 01:30:54.593 --> 01:30:55.893 slave-holding South. 01:30:56.913 --> 01:30:57.813 The industrial 01:30:57.813 --> 01:30:58.923 North was Puritan 01:30:58.923 --> 01:30:59.883 and Calvinistic. 01:31:00.253 --> 01:31:01.403 The slave-holding 01:31:01.403 --> 01:31:01.993 South was 01:31:01.993 --> 01:31:02.913 Episcopalian. 01:31:04.503 --> 01:31:06.663 So you had two very 01:31:06.673 --> 01:31:07.803 different cultures. 01:31:08.393 --> 01:31:09.203 What held it 01:31:09.203 --> 01:31:10.913 together was a 01:31:10.943 --> 01:31:11.953 common government, 01:31:11.993 --> 01:31:12.923 and that government 01:31:12.923 --> 01:31:13.753 wasn't concerned 01:31:13.753 --> 01:31:14.263 with culture, 01:31:14.293 --> 01:31:14.993 it was concerned 01:31:14.993 --> 01:31:15.743 with process. 01:31:16.133 --> 01:31:16.823 The moment 01:31:16.824 --> 01:31:17.573 the government 01:31:17.773 --> 01:31:18.813 became concerned 01:31:18.813 --> 01:31:19.463 with culture, 01:31:19.464 --> 01:31:20.083 what happened? 01:31:20.113 --> 01:31:21.533 We had a civil war. 01:31:23.553 --> 01:31:24.604 We elected Lincoln. 01:31:24.623 --> 01:31:25.754 Lincoln was an 01:31:25.763 --> 01:31:26.513 abolitionist. 01:31:26.613 --> 01:31:27.403 "We we can't 01:31:27.403 --> 01:31:27.994 have that," 01:31:27.994 --> 01:31:28.933 said the South. 01:31:29.413 --> 01:31:30.363 "So bye, we're 01:31:30.363 --> 01:31:30.963 out of here." 01:31:33.193 --> 01:31:33.903 no, this is 01:31:33.903 --> 01:31:34.443 the problem. 01:31:34.453 --> 01:31:35.373 The technocrat 01:31:35.403 --> 01:31:35.933 does not 01:31:35.933 --> 01:31:37.153 appreciate culture. 01:31:37.673 --> 01:31:38.473 You can get to a 01:31:38.473 --> 01:31:39.413 point where you are 01:31:39.413 --> 01:31:41.384 so rich you're 01:31:41.703 --> 01:31:43.093 King Charles or King 01:31:43.113 --> 01:31:44.443 Willem or whoever 01:31:45.023 --> 01:31:46.173 the Hohenzollerns 01:31:46.173 --> 01:31:46.863 in Germany. 01:31:47.523 --> 01:31:48.323 You look at these 01:31:48.323 --> 01:31:49.153 people, and they've 01:31:49.153 --> 01:31:50.713 got so much money, 01:31:51.354 --> 01:31:52.483 and they're so part 01:31:52.483 --> 01:31:53.493 of each other's 01:31:54.043 --> 01:31:55.744 socioeconomic class, 01:31:56.073 --> 01:31:57.363 that they've lost all 01:31:57.363 --> 01:31:59.963 connection to what 01:31:59.964 --> 01:32:01.573 it is that is German 01:32:01.583 --> 01:32:02.893 or Dutch or French. 01:32:03.183 --> 01:32:04.473 Imag- I'm still 01:32:04.473 --> 01:32:06.183 flabbergasted by 01:32:06.193 --> 01:32:06.903 the fact that the 01:32:06.903 --> 01:32:08.523 President of France, 01:32:08.604 --> 01:32:10.643 okay, the President 01:32:10.803 --> 01:32:12.173 of France, Emmanuel 01:32:12.173 --> 01:32:14.553 Macron, can go to 01:32:14.553 --> 01:32:17.323 the Versa- to the 01:32:17.323 --> 01:32:19.283 Verdun battlefield, 01:32:20.093 --> 01:32:21.883 the memorial, where 01:32:21.883 --> 01:32:23.583 hundreds of thousands 01:32:23.613 --> 01:32:25.763 of Frenchmen perished 01:32:25.783 --> 01:32:27.033 in that terrible 01:32:27.044 --> 01:32:29.363 battle, and announce 01:32:30.063 --> 01:32:31.253 without batting an 01:32:31.253 --> 01:32:32.553 eye that there's 01:32:32.553 --> 01:32:33.533 no such thing as 01:32:33.533 --> 01:32:34.543 French culture. 01:32:37.105 --> 01:32:37.795 At Verdun 01:32:41.821 --> 01:32:42.241 What? 01:32:43.881 --> 01:32:44.821 You mean to tell 01:32:44.821 --> 01:32:46.011 me all those French 01:32:46.011 --> 01:32:47.991 poilus were fighting 01:32:47.991 --> 01:32:48.521 for nothing? 01:32:48.531 --> 01:32:49.381 All those German 01:32:49.381 --> 01:32:50.341 soldaten were 01:32:50.341 --> 01:32:52.041 fighting for nothing? 01:32:53.541 --> 01:32:53.891 No. 01:32:55.211 --> 01:32:56.181 That's not true. 01:32:57.131 --> 01:32:58.141 That's not true. 01:32:58.731 --> 01:32:59.441 They may have been 01:32:59.441 --> 01:33:00.711 misguided on both 01:33:00.711 --> 01:33:01.761 sides, but they 01:33:01.761 --> 01:33:02.561 were fighting for 01:33:02.561 --> 01:33:03.531 something, and that 01:33:03.531 --> 01:33:04.481 was their cultural 01:33:04.481 --> 01:33:06.411 identity, whether 01:33:06.411 --> 01:33:07.511 we like it or not. 01:33:08.241 --> 01:33:10.071 So this is the 01:33:10.071 --> 01:33:10.671 problem that 01:33:10.671 --> 01:33:11.211 we're having. 01:33:11.491 --> 01:33:12.211 We're dealing 01:33:12.211 --> 01:33:13.061 with people 01:33:15.071 --> 01:33:15.951 who are trying to 01:33:15.991 --> 01:33:17.691 uglify our culture 01:33:17.721 --> 01:33:18.671 with things like the 01:33:18.671 --> 01:33:20.252 Obama Public Library 01:33:20.261 --> 01:33:21.711 or so on because 01:33:21.731 --> 01:33:23.081 they have none. 01:33:25.131 --> 01:33:26.401 That's the key. 01:33:27.311 --> 01:33:28.601 You've got to realize 01:33:28.671 --> 01:33:29.541 we're fighting for 01:33:29.541 --> 01:33:30.381 culture because 01:33:30.391 --> 01:33:31.831 it's our culture. 01:33:32.321 --> 01:33:33.481 They're trying to 01:33:33.481 --> 01:33:34.521 get rid of it because 01:33:34.521 --> 01:33:35.511 they don't have any. 01:33:35.532 --> 01:33:36.901 This is back 01:33:36.901 --> 01:33:37.661 to the Poles. 01:33:38.171 --> 01:33:39.651 If you can't identify 01:33:39.651 --> 01:33:40.581 with your culture, 01:33:40.621 --> 01:33:41.321 then you're going 01:33:41.321 --> 01:33:42.721 to end up governing 01:33:42.741 --> 01:33:43.551 and ruling it 01:33:43.721 --> 01:33:43.911 incompetently. 01:33:45.921 --> 01:33:46.632 This is what we 01:33:46.632 --> 01:33:47.421 see happening. 01:33:48.212 --> 01:33:49.241 We've got cultural 01:33:49.241 --> 01:33:50.622 people who don't i- 01:33:50.631 --> 01:33:51.841 who… Non-cultural 01:33:51.841 --> 01:33:52.431 people, pardon 01:33:52.432 --> 01:33:53.461 me, who don't 01:33:53.462 --> 01:33:54.472 identify with their 01:33:54.472 --> 01:33:55.401 national culture 01:33:55.631 --> 01:33:56.541 trying to rule 01:33:56.541 --> 01:33:57.851 that natural, that 01:33:57.851 --> 01:33:58.721 national culture. 01:33:58.892 --> 01:33:59.492 That's why it's 01:33:59.492 --> 01:34:00.051 not working. 01:34:01.271 --> 01:34:02.581 It's simple. 01:34:03.221 --> 01:34:04.431 It's simple. 01:34:05.331 --> 01:34:06.861 That part is simple, 01:34:06.892 --> 01:34:07.762 but I also think 01:34:07.762 --> 01:34:09.231 that so one part 01:34:09.752 --> 01:34:10.961 the ruling class, 01:34:11.032 --> 01:34:12.171 they really lost 01:34:12.171 --> 01:34:13.241 it, and their- Oh, 01:34:13.241 --> 01:34:13.661 yeah … their ideol- 01:34:13.881 --> 01:34:15.581 ology is completely 01:34:15.581 --> 01:34:16.372 foreign to us. 01:34:16.651 --> 01:34:16.921 Yes. 01:34:16.921 --> 01:34:17.541 But I think the 01:34:17.572 --> 01:34:18.781 people who still own 01:34:18.822 --> 01:34:20.172 part of the culture, 01:34:20.551 --> 01:34:22.622 it's feeble. 01:34:22.622 --> 01:34:23.801 It's not very strong. 01:34:23.801 --> 01:34:24.711 It's as if they- 01:34:26.341 --> 01:34:27.211 They've forgotten 01:34:27.221 --> 01:34:28.431 half of it. 01:34:28.462 --> 01:34:31.521 So yeah, w- so 01:34:31.831 --> 01:34:32.631 y- yeah, what are 01:34:32.671 --> 01:34:33.541 things that you can 01:34:33.541 --> 01:34:34.341 do to strengthen 01:34:34.341 --> 01:34:34.911 the culture? 01:34:34.911 --> 01:34:35.781 But also what I 01:34:35.782 --> 01:34:37.082 was thinking, if 01:34:37.082 --> 01:34:37.911 you really want 01:34:37.921 --> 01:34:38.741 to understand what 01:34:38.741 --> 01:34:39.791 you're defending you 01:34:39.791 --> 01:34:40.492 have to understand 01:34:40.492 --> 01:34:41.661 what is the root of 01:34:41.661 --> 01:34:42.421 the culture, and it's 01:34:42.421 --> 01:34:43.181 not just Dutch or 01:34:43.181 --> 01:34:44.061 for American, it's 01:34:44.111 --> 01:34:45.161 Western culture. 01:34:45.161 --> 01:34:45.251 What- 01:34:45.251 --> 01:34:45.601 It's Western 01:34:45.821 --> 01:34:46.431 culture, yes 01:34:46.671 --> 01:34:47.531 … what is the root of 01:34:47.581 --> 01:34:48.491 the Western culture? 01:34:48.962 --> 01:34:49.521 The root of the 01:34:49.521 --> 01:34:50.221 Western culture 01:34:50.222 --> 01:34:51.051 is Christianity, 01:34:51.051 --> 01:34:51.891 like it or not. 01:34:52.782 --> 01:34:53.661 That's the root of 01:34:53.661 --> 01:34:55.882 it, like it or not. 01:34:56.151 --> 01:34:56.446 And what does 01:34:56.446 --> 01:34:56.476 that mean? 01:34:56.476 --> 01:34:56.601 And the 01:34:56.871 --> 01:34:58.432 re- well, what it 01:34:58.432 --> 01:35:00.741 means is if you are 01:35:00.741 --> 01:35:01.862 Christian, it means 01:35:01.871 --> 01:35:03.121 that God the Word, 01:35:03.192 --> 01:35:05.761 the Logos, that Greek 01:35:05.801 --> 01:35:08.811 term Logos means the 01:35:08.811 --> 01:35:10.331 rational principle 01:35:10.892 --> 01:35:11.861 of all things. 01:35:13.383 --> 01:35:14.483 In other words the 01:35:14.483 --> 01:35:15.303 glue that kinda 01:35:15.313 --> 01:35:16.613 holds it together 01:35:16.783 --> 01:35:17.983 and makes it run, the 01:35:17.983 --> 01:35:19.443 program, so to speak. 01:35:20.393 --> 01:35:23.173 Now, what Christian 01:35:23.173 --> 01:35:25.253 faith means is that, 01:35:25.273 --> 01:35:26.193 number one, that 01:35:26.193 --> 01:35:27.313 rational principle is 01:35:27.313 --> 01:35:29.223 a person, number one. 01:35:29.893 --> 01:35:31.353 That is so hard for, 01:35:31.433 --> 01:35:32.333 to get people to 01:35:32.333 --> 01:35:33.923 understand because 01:35:33.943 --> 01:35:34.913 people wanna talk 01:35:34.913 --> 01:35:35.723 in glittering 01:35:36.853 --> 01:35:37.003 abstractions. 01:35:37.493 --> 01:35:38.373 "Oh, we need the 01:35:38.373 --> 01:35:39.423 transcendent, we need 01:35:39.423 --> 01:35:40.643 spirituality, we need 01:35:40.643 --> 01:35:41.703 the divine feminine." 01:35:41.953 --> 01:35:42.933 All these wonderful 01:35:42.933 --> 01:35:44.103 abstractions that 01:35:44.103 --> 01:35:44.873 mean nothing. 01:35:46.723 --> 01:35:47.493 When you're talking 01:35:47.494 --> 01:35:49.213 about incarnate 01:35:49.213 --> 01:35:49.843 logos, you're 01:35:49.843 --> 01:35:50.683 talking about a 01:35:50.683 --> 01:35:51.703 person, and number 01:35:51.703 --> 01:35:52.633 one, you're talking 01:35:52.633 --> 01:35:53.473 about the fact 01:35:53.483 --> 01:35:54.803 that the principle 01:35:54.873 --> 01:35:57.143 underlying fact of 01:35:57.143 --> 01:35:59.863 reality is individual 01:35:59.863 --> 01:36:01.503 conscious uniqueness, 01:36:03.183 --> 01:36:04.193 and it's God. 01:36:05.573 --> 01:36:06.773 And therefore, 01:36:07.193 --> 01:36:08.863 everyone created 01:36:08.903 --> 01:36:10.323 in that image 01:36:10.333 --> 01:36:12.193 and likeness has 01:36:12.193 --> 01:36:13.263 an absolutely 01:36:13.313 --> 01:36:14.403 irreducible 01:36:14.403 --> 01:36:17.003 uniqueness that no 01:36:17.003 --> 01:36:18.733 one else can replace 01:36:18.983 --> 01:36:20.273 or approximate. 01:36:20.773 --> 01:36:21.483 That's number one. 01:36:21.494 --> 01:36:23.073 Number two, by 01:36:23.073 --> 01:36:24.033 saying that 01:36:24.034 --> 01:36:25.103 rational principle 01:36:25.133 --> 01:36:26.754 entered humanity and 01:36:27.383 --> 01:36:30.313 participated in human 01:36:30.313 --> 01:36:31.923 life and thought and 01:36:31.924 --> 01:36:35.073 passion, that means 01:36:35.093 --> 01:36:36.853 the divine sanction 01:36:37.633 --> 01:36:39.043 is given to human 01:36:39.043 --> 01:36:40.593 activity at its most 01:36:40.603 --> 01:36:42.254 basic creative level 01:36:44.337 --> 01:36:46.077 And therefore, there 01:36:46.087 --> 01:36:47.567 is th- this old 01:36:47.567 --> 01:36:48.987 idea that I would 01:36:48.987 --> 01:36:49.737 believe in God, 01:36:49.737 --> 01:36:50.817 but he's so remote 01:36:50.827 --> 01:36:51.587 and transcendent. 01:36:51.837 --> 01:36:53.207 No, God got right 01:36:53.217 --> 01:36:54.177 down here and mixed 01:36:54.177 --> 01:36:55.217 it up with us and got 01:36:55.217 --> 01:36:57.157 dirty, got grit under 01:36:57.157 --> 01:36:58.147 the fingernails, 01:36:59.757 --> 01:37:00.847 and ended up dying 01:37:00.847 --> 01:37:02.298 a really bad death. 01:37:03.057 --> 01:37:03.547 Okay? 01:37:04.197 --> 01:37:05.207 What you're saying 01:37:05.207 --> 01:37:06.027 with that is the 01:37:06.037 --> 01:37:07.487 implication is heaven 01:37:07.507 --> 01:37:09.027 and Earth are united. 01:37:09.027 --> 01:37:11.607 There's no more moral 01:37:11.607 --> 01:37:12.597 distinction between 01:37:12.607 --> 01:37:13.697 the laws that are 01:37:13.697 --> 01:37:15.167 good here and the 01:37:15.167 --> 01:37:16.187 laws are good there. 01:37:16.377 --> 01:37:17.888 You've just made 01:37:17.977 --> 01:37:19.387 modern science 01:37:19.528 --> 01:37:22.559 possible I wanna 01:37:22.559 --> 01:37:23.299 repeat that. 01:37:23.699 --> 01:37:25.239 You do not have 01:37:25.239 --> 01:37:26.769 that old separation 01:37:27.069 --> 01:37:28.229 of the laws that 01:37:28.229 --> 01:37:29.009 are good down 01:37:29.009 --> 01:37:30.349 here and the laws 01:37:30.349 --> 01:37:31.339 that are up there. 01:37:31.739 --> 01:37:33.239 God became man. 01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:34.519 Read the Psalms. 01:37:34.519 --> 01:37:35.489 You're hinting at 01:37:35.489 --> 01:37:36.689 that whole approach 01:37:36.999 --> 01:37:37.919 all throughout 01:37:37.919 --> 01:37:38.799 the Psalms. 01:37:39.639 --> 01:37:41.059 So you've made modern 01:37:41.059 --> 01:37:41.999 science possible. 01:37:41.999 --> 01:37:43.239 You can't have 01:37:43.259 --> 01:37:45.469 modern science in 01:37:45.469 --> 01:37:46.549 the Western sense 01:37:46.579 --> 01:37:48.129 without Christianity. 01:37:49.389 --> 01:37:50.869 We saw advance 01:37:50.899 --> 01:37:52.189 after advance. 01:37:52.739 --> 01:37:54.219 The Hindus invent 01:37:54.289 --> 01:37:55.269 zero, which is 01:37:55.289 --> 01:37:56.489 absolutely crucial 01:37:56.500 --> 01:37:57.430 for mathematics, 01:37:57.430 --> 01:37:58.789 but their society 01:37:59.329 --> 01:38:00.389 never took off. 01:38:01.679 --> 01:38:02.869 The Muslims 01:38:03.129 --> 01:38:04.369 appropriated so 01:38:04.379 --> 01:38:05.079 much from their 01:38:05.079 --> 01:38:06.179 conquest, but look 01:38:06.179 --> 01:38:07.309 at their societies. 01:38:07.409 --> 01:38:08.699 They kinda died. 01:38:09.289 --> 01:38:10.109 And again, if you 01:38:10.109 --> 01:38:11.139 trace what's going 01:38:11.139 --> 01:38:11.959 on in each of them, 01:38:11.959 --> 01:38:12.849 at some point they 01:38:12.849 --> 01:38:13.869 have that dividing 01:38:13.869 --> 01:38:14.909 line between 01:38:14.919 --> 01:38:15.879 heaven and Earth. 01:38:17.759 --> 01:38:18.439 They've got that 01:38:18.469 --> 01:38:19.289 operative, and 01:38:19.289 --> 01:38:19.849 therefore their 01:38:19.849 --> 01:38:21.059 societies stagnate. 01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:22.789 So I am absolutely 01:38:22.789 --> 01:38:23.599 insistent, you 01:38:23.649 --> 01:38:26.129 cannot have and will 01:38:26.130 --> 01:38:28.080 not have Western 01:38:28.080 --> 01:38:29.409 civilization without 01:38:29.410 --> 01:38:30.389 Christ and without 01:38:30.389 --> 01:38:31.699 Christianity, and 01:38:31.730 --> 01:38:32.559 when you attempt 01:38:32.569 --> 01:38:33.369 to get rid of 01:38:33.719 --> 01:38:34.450 that's when your s- 01:38:34.450 --> 01:38:35.710 Western civilization 01:38:35.969 --> 01:38:36.869 starts to die. 01:38:37.039 --> 01:38:38.289 And by the way, and 01:38:38.289 --> 01:38:39.239 when I say Western 01:38:39.239 --> 01:38:40.579 civilization, I'm 01:38:40.579 --> 01:38:41.659 including Russia 01:38:41.679 --> 01:38:43.179 and the Ukraine and 01:38:43.179 --> 01:38:43.910 all those things 01:38:43.910 --> 01:38:44.989 over there, okay? 01:38:45.029 --> 01:38:45.729 That to me is 01:38:45.730 --> 01:38:47.000 Western civilization. 01:38:47.349 --> 01:38:48.129 It's not a 01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:49.459 qualified Europe. 01:38:49.499 --> 01:38:50.609 It's not Eastern 01:38:50.609 --> 01:38:51.230 Europe and 01:38:51.230 --> 01:38:51.989 we're Europe. 01:38:52.079 --> 01:38:52.519 No. 01:38:53.160 --> 01:38:54.119 It's all Western 01:38:54.119 --> 01:38:54.899 civilization. 01:38:55.840 --> 01:38:57.479 So that's the key. 01:38:57.840 --> 01:38:58.919 The second component, 01:38:58.980 --> 01:39:00.069 I think, i- that is 01:39:00.069 --> 01:39:01.129 unique to Western 01:39:01.129 --> 01:39:02.109 civilization is 01:39:02.109 --> 01:39:02.950 the Enlightenment. 01:39:04.219 --> 01:39:06.349 Because you had 01:39:06.369 --> 01:39:07.890 a period when 01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:09.289 Christianity became 01:39:09.289 --> 01:39:10.720 a theocracy, and 01:39:11.379 --> 01:39:12.459 in the name of 01:39:12.480 --> 01:39:13.579 an infallibility 01:39:13.619 --> 01:39:14.319 that it did not 01:39:14.329 --> 01:39:16.139 actually have, by 01:39:16.139 --> 01:39:16.969 the way, that's 01:39:16.969 --> 01:39:17.559 why I'm Eastern 01:39:17.559 --> 01:39:18.599 Orthodox, not Roman 01:39:18.599 --> 01:39:20.539 Catholic, it had an 01:39:20.549 --> 01:39:21.699 infallibility that, 01:39:21.699 --> 01:39:22.499 that it claimed to 01:39:22.499 --> 01:39:23.364 have, but it didn't 01:39:23.364 --> 01:39:24.759 really have it, and 01:39:24.759 --> 01:39:25.539 it was starting to 01:39:25.539 --> 01:39:26.789 persecute people and 01:39:26.799 --> 01:39:28.019 be the cause of the 01:39:28.019 --> 01:39:30.539 demise of advancement 01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:31.449 rather than the 01:39:31.450 --> 01:39:32.319 promoter of it. 01:39:32.539 --> 01:39:33.369 So what did you have? 01:39:33.369 --> 01:39:33.779 You had the 01:39:33.780 --> 01:39:34.400 Enlightenment, you 01:39:34.409 --> 01:39:35.359 had the Thirty Years' 01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:36.179 War, you had the 01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:37.410 Peace of Westphalia. 01:39:37.890 --> 01:39:39.469 All of this is part 01:39:39.499 --> 01:39:40.779 of Western culture. 01:39:41.579 --> 01:39:42.230 So in other words 01:39:43.909 --> 01:39:46.190 logos incarnate 01:39:46.249 --> 01:39:47.979 made possible the 01:39:48.009 --> 01:39:49.099 idea that you have 01:39:49.109 --> 01:39:51.399 a society founded 01:39:51.439 --> 01:39:53.029 on reason, and that 01:39:53.030 --> 01:39:54.220 reason was personal 01:39:54.220 --> 01:39:56.149 and God himself. 01:39:57.579 --> 01:39:58.229 You're also 01:39:58.230 --> 01:39:59.239 making possible 01:39:59.249 --> 01:40:00.209 the reasonable, 01:40:00.219 --> 01:40:02.239 rational, honest 01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:03.539 rejection of that. 01:40:04.109 --> 01:40:04.839 You're saying there's 01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:05.989 some people who just 01:40:05.999 --> 01:40:06.719 can't wrap their 01:40:06.719 --> 01:40:07.579 minds around it 01:40:10.119 --> 01:40:10.879 So you're also 01:40:10.879 --> 01:40:12.519 creating a condition 01:40:12.529 --> 01:40:14.589 of tolerance that no 01:40:14.669 --> 01:40:16.869 other civilizational 01:40:16.879 --> 01:40:18.289 religion has ever 01:40:18.319 --> 01:40:20.719 created, ever. 01:40:22.459 --> 01:40:23.149 So that's the 01:40:23.149 --> 01:40:24.099 second component. 01:40:24.599 --> 01:40:25.669 The third component 01:40:25.749 --> 01:40:26.469 that I think is 01:40:26.469 --> 01:40:27.609 unique to Western 01:40:27.619 --> 01:40:29.349 civilization, and 01:40:29.629 --> 01:40:30.599 this goes back 01:40:30.619 --> 01:40:34.409 to, to my study 01:40:34.409 --> 01:40:35.369 of patristics. 01:40:36.019 --> 01:40:36.759 When you read the 01:40:36.769 --> 01:40:37.569 early Christian 01:40:37.569 --> 01:40:38.529 writers you're 01:40:38.529 --> 01:40:39.469 gonna be astounded 01:40:39.469 --> 01:40:40.259 because they are 01:40:40.259 --> 01:40:41.549 not nearly what 01:40:41.549 --> 01:40:42.439 we think they are. 01:40:43.820 --> 01:40:44.759 Not at all. 01:40:45.849 --> 01:40:46.409 They're gonna be 01:40:46.410 --> 01:40:47.419 talking about things 01:40:47.419 --> 01:40:50.489 like giants, cosmic 01:40:50.489 --> 01:40:53.959 wars, chimeras 01:40:54.889 --> 01:40:55.929 strange creatures 01:40:55.939 --> 01:40:56.749 that are part one 01:40:56.749 --> 01:40:57.809 thing, part another. 01:40:59.119 --> 01:40:59.609 They're gonna talk 01:40:59.619 --> 01:41:00.839 about Atlantis. 01:41:01.480 --> 01:41:02.209 They're gonna talk 01:41:02.219 --> 01:41:02.919 about a bunch of 01:41:02.969 --> 01:41:04.039 stuff that modern 01:41:04.039 --> 01:41:04.839 Christianity says, 01:41:04.969 --> 01:41:05.819 " that's taboo. 01:41:06.119 --> 01:41:06.909 You're demonic 01:41:06.909 --> 01:41:07.499 if you're talking 01:41:07.499 --> 01:41:08.279 about that stuff." 01:41:09.889 --> 01:41:10.799 they're talking about 01:41:11.349 --> 01:41:12.429 all you can imagine. 01:41:12.799 --> 01:41:13.479 So the third 01:41:13.509 --> 01:41:14.839 component, believe 01:41:14.840 --> 01:41:15.569 it or not, that I 01:41:15.569 --> 01:41:16.469 think is a crucial 01:41:16.489 --> 01:41:17.329 component of all 01:41:17.329 --> 01:41:19.750 of this, is they 01:41:19.750 --> 01:41:21.429 did not reject that 01:41:21.429 --> 01:41:22.939 classical heritage 01:41:26.357 --> 01:41:27.167 What they did was 01:41:27.257 --> 01:41:27.837 they looked at it 01:41:27.837 --> 01:41:28.157 and they thought, 01:41:28.157 --> 01:41:28.947 "Oh, gee, that's 01:41:28.947 --> 01:41:29.587 interesting. 01:41:29.587 --> 01:41:30.717 We think that too. 01:41:30.977 --> 01:41:31.617 Where is that 01:41:31.617 --> 01:41:32.397 coming from? 01:41:32.767 --> 01:41:34.337 Why is it there?" 01:41:34.647 --> 01:41:35.457 So in other words, 01:41:35.487 --> 01:41:36.477 there is a kind of 01:41:39.057 --> 01:41:39.937 for want of a better 01:41:39.937 --> 01:41:40.677 word, I'm gonna 01:41:40.677 --> 01:41:41.767 call it the humanist 01:41:41.767 --> 01:41:43.777 Hermetic Renaissance 01:41:43.807 --> 01:41:44.477 component. 01:41:45.187 --> 01:41:45.917 There is a, there 01:41:45.917 --> 01:41:47.127 is this whole 01:41:47.137 --> 01:41:49.637 body of inherited 01:41:49.637 --> 01:41:51.637 classical lore that, 01:41:51.697 --> 01:41:53.007 that we have that's 01:41:53.027 --> 01:41:55.367 part of the West as 01:41:55.367 --> 01:41:56.407 we understand it. 01:41:56.497 --> 01:41:57.997 Plato, Aristotle 01:41:59.217 --> 01:42:00.117 Tehuti from 01:42:00.127 --> 01:42:01.598 Egypt thrice 01:42:01.598 --> 01:42:02.327 great Hermetic. 01:42:02.357 --> 01:42:03.907 All of this stuff 01:42:04.647 --> 01:42:05.897 that we've carted 01:42:05.897 --> 01:42:06.717 along as part of 01:42:06.727 --> 01:42:07.468 the baggage of 01:42:07.468 --> 01:42:08.367 our civilization. 01:42:08.407 --> 01:42:09.287 Why? 01:42:09.977 --> 01:42:10.717 Because again, 01:42:10.717 --> 01:42:11.227 it goes back 01:42:11.227 --> 01:42:11.827 to that first 01:42:11.837 --> 01:42:12.947 principle, logos. 01:42:13.227 --> 01:42:13.887 None of that 01:42:13.887 --> 01:42:15.007 stuff was there 01:42:15.007 --> 01:42:15.957 by accident. 01:42:17.897 --> 01:42:19.197 Human minds 01:42:19.197 --> 01:42:20.017 created it. 01:42:21.857 --> 01:42:23.007 Therefore, don't be 01:42:23.007 --> 01:42:23.877 surprised if you're 01:42:23.877 --> 01:42:24.727 gonna find little 01:42:24.737 --> 01:42:25.687 nuggets in it. 01:42:28.767 --> 01:42:29.407 You don't wanna 01:42:29.407 --> 01:42:30.877 just throw it out. 01:42:32.067 --> 01:42:32.608 That's what the 01:42:32.608 --> 01:42:33.637 Taliban does. 01:42:34.007 --> 01:42:34.727 "We don't like 01:42:34.727 --> 01:42:35.487 those statues 01:42:35.488 --> 01:42:36.217 of Buddha, let's 01:42:36.227 --> 01:42:37.767 blow 'em up." No. 01:42:38.787 --> 01:42:39.818 You don't get rid 01:42:39.818 --> 01:42:40.897 of sin by saying, 01:42:41.197 --> 01:42:42.227 " let's just erase 01:42:42.227 --> 01:42:43.807 it." We don't get 01:42:43.807 --> 01:42:45.568 rid of our past 01:42:45.617 --> 01:42:46.767 by erasing it. 01:42:46.787 --> 01:42:48.768 We reform ourselves. 01:42:48.977 --> 01:42:50.277 That past is still 01:42:50.278 --> 01:42:52.697 part of us when, 01:42:52.738 --> 01:42:54.067 especially when we 01:42:54.067 --> 01:42:56.807 fail morally or in 01:42:56.807 --> 01:42:57.897 some other fashion. 01:42:57.947 --> 01:42:58.687 That's still part 01:42:58.687 --> 01:43:00.327 of us, and the 01:43:00.327 --> 01:43:01.827 failure is designed 01:43:01.848 --> 01:43:03.148 to make us repent 01:43:03.717 --> 01:43:05.758 and grow from that. 01:43:06.907 --> 01:43:07.258 That's what 01:43:07.258 --> 01:43:08.097 sin means. 01:43:08.098 --> 01:43:08.697 It means to 01:43:08.697 --> 01:43:09.467 fall short. 01:43:10.127 --> 01:43:11.047 So in other words, 01:43:11.407 --> 01:43:12.217 the other part of 01:43:12.217 --> 01:43:13.657 the West is memory. 01:43:15.238 --> 01:43:16.587 We don't reject 01:43:16.607 --> 01:43:17.617 something because 01:43:17.617 --> 01:43:18.907 it's imperfect 01:43:21.383 --> 01:43:22.223 This is a key 01:43:22.223 --> 01:43:24.653 component of the West 01:43:27.023 --> 01:43:28.733 we accept the 01:43:28.733 --> 01:43:30.353 imperfection because 01:43:30.593 --> 01:43:31.703 that imperfection 01:43:31.713 --> 01:43:32.753 is still part of 01:43:32.763 --> 01:43:33.863 the good of this 01:43:33.863 --> 01:43:34.743 civilization. 01:43:36.263 --> 01:43:37.723 Genesis does not 01:43:37.723 --> 01:43:39.063 say God beheld the 01:43:39.063 --> 01:43:39.933 world and behold 01:43:39.943 --> 01:43:40.643 he had created 01:43:40.653 --> 01:43:41.743 everything perfect. 01:43:42.103 --> 01:43:43.503 No, it does 01:43:43.503 --> 01:43:44.353 not say that. 01:43:44.943 --> 01:43:47.203 It says it was good 01:43:49.425 --> 01:43:49.955 And there is 01:43:49.955 --> 01:43:50.645 a difference. 01:43:51.585 --> 01:43:52.415 Because it's that 01:43:52.415 --> 01:43:53.865 good that allows 01:43:53.945 --> 01:43:56.725 us to grow to 01:43:56.985 --> 01:43:58.285 that perfection. 01:43:58.695 --> 01:43:59.795 So the other part 01:44:00.035 --> 01:44:01.465 of being Western 01:44:01.515 --> 01:44:04.345 and being part of 01:44:04.345 --> 01:44:06.235 our culture is the 01:44:06.235 --> 01:44:07.265 recognition that 01:44:07.265 --> 01:44:08.595 perfection is not 01:44:08.595 --> 01:44:09.775 what we are about. 01:44:11.495 --> 01:44:12.165 Perfection 01:44:12.175 --> 01:44:13.295 is our goal. 01:44:14.055 --> 01:44:14.725 It is not 01:44:14.725 --> 01:44:15.575 our history. 01:44:16.815 --> 01:44:17.505 You cannot 01:44:17.505 --> 01:44:18.945 achieve the goal 01:44:19.875 --> 01:44:20.975 without preserving 01:44:20.975 --> 01:44:21.765 that history. 01:44:23.325 --> 01:44:24.045 Is that why you 01:44:24.075 --> 01:44:25.446 emphasize virtues 01:44:25.446 --> 01:44:26.435 over values so often? 01:44:26.445 --> 01:44:26.935 Yes. 01:44:27.165 --> 01:44:27.645 Yes. 01:44:28.075 --> 01:44:28.525 Yes. 01:44:29.335 --> 01:44:29.775 Yes. 01:44:30.305 --> 01:44:31.955 Value, the term 01:44:31.965 --> 01:44:33.856 values is Hegelian. 01:44:35.616 --> 01:44:36.505 It's coming straight 01:44:36.505 --> 01:44:38.275 out of Georg 01:44:38.275 --> 01:44:39.295 Friedrich Hegel. 01:44:39.295 --> 01:44:40.715 And Hegel is, if 01:44:40.715 --> 01:44:41.675 nothing else, he's 01:44:41.675 --> 01:44:42.705 the great abstractor. 01:44:42.705 --> 01:44:43.435 He doesn't wanna 01:44:43.475 --> 01:44:45.365 talk about specifics. 01:44:45.365 --> 01:44:45.905 He wants to 01:44:45.905 --> 01:44:46.605 talk about the 01:44:46.605 --> 01:44:47.635 glowing, glittering 01:44:47.645 --> 01:44:48.205 abstractions, 01:44:48.315 --> 01:44:49.345 transcendence, 01:44:49.835 --> 01:44:51.835 spirit, the unfolding 01:44:51.835 --> 01:44:52.865 of spirit in 01:44:52.865 --> 01:44:54.345 history and all 01:44:54.345 --> 01:44:56.476 of this nonsense. 01:44:57.426 --> 01:44:57.755 But he 01:44:59.895 --> 01:45:02.065 has no place for 01:45:02.066 --> 01:45:03.335 incarnate logos, 01:45:04.085 --> 01:45:05.325 a real person at 01:45:05.325 --> 01:45:05.965 the center of it. 01:45:06.075 --> 01:45:06.485 None. 01:45:06.816 --> 01:45:07.416 Why? 01:45:08.005 --> 01:45:09.025 Again, he wants 01:45:09.026 --> 01:45:09.995 that perfection. 01:45:10.795 --> 01:45:12.585 He wants that Marxist 01:45:13.175 --> 01:45:14.135 rainbow at the 01:45:14.135 --> 01:45:14.825 end of everything 01:45:14.825 --> 01:45:15.905 that allows us 01:45:15.935 --> 01:45:18.665 to obliterate all 01:45:18.665 --> 01:45:19.595 that's imperfect 01:45:19.595 --> 01:45:20.465 in our society. 01:45:20.465 --> 01:45:21.385 This is why I'm so 01:45:21.385 --> 01:45:23.525 against, in America, 01:45:23.526 --> 01:45:24.285 this business that 01:45:24.285 --> 01:45:25.795 we tear down statues 01:45:25.816 --> 01:45:26.615 of Confederate 01:45:26.625 --> 01:45:28.525 generals or of 01:45:28.526 --> 01:45:29.165 the Confederate 01:45:29.165 --> 01:45:29.645 president. 01:45:30.055 --> 01:45:30.575 Yeah, it's an 01:45:30.575 --> 01:45:31.345 imperfect part 01:45:31.345 --> 01:45:32.165 of our history. 01:45:32.435 --> 01:45:33.035 These were 01:45:33.035 --> 01:45:34.235 imperfect men. 01:45:35.425 --> 01:45:36.555 Abraham Lincoln was 01:45:36.555 --> 01:45:37.795 an imperfect man. 01:45:38.555 --> 01:45:39.976 Jefferson Davis was 01:45:39.976 --> 01:45:40.745 an imperfect man. 01:45:40.765 --> 01:45:42.085 I'm an imperfect man. 01:45:43.805 --> 01:45:44.565 But I'm not gonna 01:45:44.575 --> 01:45:45.675 reject my personal 01:45:45.675 --> 01:45:47.205 history out of some 01:45:47.355 --> 01:45:48.515 ideological sense of 01:45:48.515 --> 01:45:49.395 perfection, because 01:45:49.395 --> 01:45:51.025 then I cease to be 01:45:51.035 --> 01:45:52.625 who I am, and the 01:45:52.625 --> 01:45:53.655 same thing holds 01:45:53.665 --> 01:45:54.945 true of civilizations 01:45:54.945 --> 01:45:55.755 and cultures 01:45:57.927 --> 01:45:59.277 You cease to be Dutch 01:45:59.277 --> 01:46:00.147 if you're not aware 01:46:00.147 --> 01:46:00.847 of the history of 01:46:00.847 --> 01:46:02.237 the Seven Provinces 01:46:04.487 --> 01:46:05.407 You cease to be 01:46:05.417 --> 01:46:06.107 Dutch if you're 01:46:06.107 --> 01:46:07.587 not aware of the 01:46:07.597 --> 01:46:08.807 exploits of Admiral 01:46:08.807 --> 01:46:10.737 de Ruyter, and so 01:46:10.737 --> 01:46:11.677 on and so forth. 01:46:13.177 --> 01:46:14.297 All of this is part 01:46:14.297 --> 01:46:15.037 of our history. 01:46:16.037 --> 01:46:17.547 It's gruesome, 01:46:17.587 --> 01:46:18.417 it's imperfect. 01:46:18.467 --> 01:46:19.467 There are brilliant, 01:46:19.867 --> 01:46:21.227 bright lights in it. 01:46:21.647 --> 01:46:22.787 There are grimy, 01:46:22.977 --> 01:46:24.227 awful things in it. 01:46:26.117 --> 01:46:27.177 And all of that 01:46:27.197 --> 01:46:28.737 is part of the 01:46:28.737 --> 01:46:29.767 goodness of it. 01:46:31.117 --> 01:46:32.437 That's the paradox. 01:46:33.187 --> 01:46:34.167 That's the paradox. 01:46:35.727 --> 01:46:36.767 And what do you see 01:46:36.767 --> 01:46:38.297 as practical ways 01:46:38.817 --> 01:46:40.187 to bring that into 01:46:40.188 --> 01:46:41.107 the culture, for 01:46:41.137 --> 01:46:42.227 exa- especially 01:46:42.247 --> 01:46:43.557 for persons for who 01:46:43.557 --> 01:46:44.717 it's been broken 01:46:44.737 --> 01:46:45.717 down to such a large 01:46:45.717 --> 01:46:46.597 extent already? 01:46:47.707 --> 01:46:48.317 Let me give you an 01:46:48.317 --> 01:46:50.297 example right out 01:46:50.297 --> 01:46:51.277 of the Netherlands. 01:46:53.267 --> 01:46:54.097 One near and 01:46:54.098 --> 01:46:55.007 dear to my heart. 01:46:56.087 --> 01:46:56.938 Because in the 01:46:56.938 --> 01:46:57.627 Netherlands you 01:46:57.627 --> 01:46:58.357 have some of the 01:46:58.357 --> 01:47:00.057 most beautiful 01:47:00.107 --> 01:47:01.427 Baroque era pipe 01:47:01.427 --> 01:47:03.127 organs in the world. 01:47:04.067 --> 01:47:04.717 You've got a 01:47:04.717 --> 01:47:06.267 beautiful instrument 01:47:06.267 --> 01:47:06.927 in Zwolle. 01:47:06.937 --> 01:47:07.967 You've got another 01:47:07.967 --> 01:47:08.727 beautiful one in 01:47:08.727 --> 01:47:09.848 Groningen, another 01:47:09.848 --> 01:47:10.787 one in Haarlem. 01:47:11.447 --> 01:47:12.177 All over the 01:47:12.177 --> 01:47:12.807 Netherlands you've 01:47:12.807 --> 01:47:14.547 got these beautiful 01:47:14.607 --> 01:47:15.417 pipe organs. 01:47:16.427 --> 01:47:18.017 And the interesting 01:47:18.017 --> 01:47:19.198 thing that I see 01:47:19.208 --> 01:47:20.297 happening in the 01:47:20.297 --> 01:47:21.277 Netherlands is all 01:47:21.278 --> 01:47:22.207 the young people 01:47:22.237 --> 01:47:23.058 being allowed 01:47:23.058 --> 01:47:23.587 to play them. 01:47:24.138 --> 01:47:25.198 Kids 13. 01:47:25.237 --> 01:47:26.397 I would have given 01:47:26.397 --> 01:47:29.007 my eye teeth as a 01:47:29.007 --> 01:47:29.798 kid learning the 01:47:29.798 --> 01:47:30.807 pipe organ if I 01:47:30.818 --> 01:47:31.787 had been able to 01:47:31.787 --> 01:47:32.537 play one of these 01:47:32.537 --> 01:47:33.398 Dutch instruments 01:47:33.437 --> 01:47:34.057 I see these 01:47:34.057 --> 01:47:35.227 little kids being 01:47:35.227 --> 01:47:36.068 allowed to play. 01:47:36.937 --> 01:47:38.037 And the reason why 01:47:38.037 --> 01:47:39.317 that's important is 01:47:39.317 --> 01:47:40.207 because then they'll 01:47:40.208 --> 01:47:43.407 be able to say, " why 01:47:43.417 --> 01:47:45.378 is this country 01:47:45.388 --> 01:47:46.387 in this corner of 01:47:46.388 --> 01:47:47.607 Europe possessing 01:47:47.607 --> 01:47:48.327 these things?" And 01:47:48.327 --> 01:47:49.058 then they start 01:47:49.058 --> 01:47:49.898 learning about the 01:47:49.898 --> 01:47:51.157 Dutch composers, 01:47:51.587 --> 01:47:53.057 Sweelinck, and so on. 01:47:53.827 --> 01:47:54.867 So in other words, 01:47:55.137 --> 01:47:56.557 this is part of the 01:47:56.557 --> 01:47:58.517 heritage, and it's 01:47:58.517 --> 01:47:59.797 not just a museum 01:47:59.797 --> 01:48:00.617 that you're keeping. 01:48:01.407 --> 01:48:02.777 These composers, 01:48:02.787 --> 01:48:04.188 these instruments 01:48:05.107 --> 01:48:05.837 contributed to 01:48:05.837 --> 01:48:06.717 some of the mo- the 01:48:06.727 --> 01:48:07.517 development of some 01:48:07.517 --> 01:48:08.347 of the most brilliant 01:48:08.348 --> 01:48:09.617 music on the planet 01:48:11.911 --> 01:48:12.801 It's still being 01:48:12.801 --> 01:48:13.711 listened to 01:48:14.351 --> 01:48:15.811 300 years later 01:48:18.375 --> 01:48:19.715 So I, my advice 01:48:19.715 --> 01:48:20.935 is if you're not 01:48:20.935 --> 01:48:21.565 familiar with it, 01:48:21.895 --> 01:48:22.905 go explore it. 01:48:24.565 --> 01:48:25.305 You're right there 01:48:25.305 --> 01:48:26.045 in the Netherlands. 01:48:26.045 --> 01:48:26.875 It's right around 01:48:26.885 --> 01:48:28.335 the corner, in 01:48:28.345 --> 01:48:29.565 almost every Dutch 01:48:30.055 --> 01:48:30.855 village where you 01:48:30.855 --> 01:48:31.835 have the presence 01:48:31.835 --> 01:48:32.595 of a church, you've 01:48:32.595 --> 01:48:33.865 got some connection 01:48:34.375 --> 01:48:35.475 to a wonderful 01:48:35.495 --> 01:48:36.475 cultural past. 01:48:36.475 --> 01:48:37.995 You've got just 01:48:37.995 --> 01:48:38.405 think of the 01:48:38.405 --> 01:48:39.485 Dutch painters. 01:48:41.685 --> 01:48:43.305 Eh on and on 01:48:43.305 --> 01:48:44.405 we could go. 01:48:46.325 --> 01:48:46.945 The fact that 01:48:46.965 --> 01:48:47.845 our political 01:48:47.875 --> 01:48:49.035 institutions in 01:48:49.035 --> 01:48:50.015 the West in the 01:48:50.015 --> 01:48:51.065 modern era, a lot 01:48:51.065 --> 01:48:51.815 of them owe their 01:48:51.815 --> 01:48:53.116 existence to the 01:48:53.116 --> 01:48:54.355 United Provinces, 01:48:54.955 --> 01:48:56.215 and on we could go. 01:48:58.785 --> 01:49:00.855 It- it's a, just 01:49:00.855 --> 01:49:01.615 simply a matter 01:49:01.615 --> 01:49:02.595 of being aware of 01:49:02.595 --> 01:49:04.135 these things and 01:49:04.135 --> 01:49:05.115 taking pleasure 01:49:05.115 --> 01:49:06.246 and delight in them 01:49:06.435 --> 01:49:07.185 to the point that 01:49:07.185 --> 01:49:08.055 you want to share 01:49:08.055 --> 01:49:08.815 them with people. 01:49:10.486 --> 01:49:11.235 I do this all the 01:49:11.236 --> 01:49:12.195 time on my website. 01:49:12.195 --> 01:49:12.925 I find a piece of 01:49:12.925 --> 01:49:14.345 music that strikes my 01:49:14.345 --> 01:49:15.195 fancy, and I'll put 01:49:15.195 --> 01:49:16.205 it up on my website, 01:49:16.425 --> 01:49:17.185 and it's usually and 01:49:17.185 --> 01:49:18.335 always classical. 01:49:19.245 --> 01:49:20.215 I've had enough of 01:49:20.215 --> 01:49:23.055 rock or country 01:49:23.245 --> 01:49:25.585 or whatever, but 01:49:25.856 --> 01:49:26.685 that's my point. 01:49:26.865 --> 01:49:28.515 It's, it, culture, 01:49:28.515 --> 01:49:31.015 in order to be loved, 01:49:31.065 --> 01:49:32.366 has to be shared. 01:49:33.175 --> 01:49:33.895 So if you find 01:49:33.895 --> 01:49:35.025 something, share it. 01:49:38.555 --> 01:49:39.315 I think that's very 01:49:39.315 --> 01:49:40.205 important because 01:49:40.236 --> 01:49:41.435 if I think back, I 01:49:41.435 --> 01:49:42.735 learned very little 01:49:43.555 --> 01:49:45.525 history both in g- 01:49:45.585 --> 01:49:47.465 in the junior school 01:49:47.465 --> 01:49:48.465 as in high school. 01:49:48.475 --> 01:49:49.195 So everything 01:49:49.195 --> 01:49:49.875 you learn- is 01:49:49.925 --> 01:49:50.836 what you take on 01:49:50.846 --> 01:49:52.165 voluntarily later on. 01:49:52.475 --> 01:49:52.665 Yep. 01:49:52.945 --> 01:49:54.055 So if you say, yeah, 01:49:54.055 --> 01:49:54.825 if you don't know 01:49:54.825 --> 01:49:55.975 the, this history 01:49:56.535 --> 01:49:57.865 then you lo- lose 01:49:57.865 --> 01:49:59.356 your Dutch identity. 01:49:59.356 --> 01:50:00.105 I think a lot of 01:50:00.125 --> 01:50:00.936 people actually 01:50:01.055 --> 01:50:01.765 have lost a l- 01:50:01.765 --> 01:50:02.205 lot of their 01:50:02.205 --> 01:50:03.555 identity already. 01:50:04.545 --> 01:50:06.085 Here you just put 01:50:06.085 --> 01:50:06.665 your finger on 01:50:06.666 --> 01:50:07.285 something else 01:50:07.295 --> 01:50:08.795 very important to 01:50:08.795 --> 01:50:10.855 this cultural 01:50:10.855 --> 01:50:11.975 counterinsurgency, 01:50:11.975 --> 01:50:12.465 I guess we 01:50:12.465 --> 01:50:13.115 could call it. 01:50:13.935 --> 01:50:15.595 And that is the 01:50:15.595 --> 01:50:17.375 institutions that 01:50:17.375 --> 01:50:19.125 Mr. Globaloney has 01:50:19.145 --> 01:50:22.235 put into place to 01:50:22.236 --> 01:50:23.735 pass down the culture 01:50:23.935 --> 01:50:24.905 have failed, or 01:50:24.905 --> 01:50:25.695 rather, they have 01:50:25.695 --> 01:50:27.235 succeeded wildly. 01:50:27.275 --> 01:50:27.906 Because the 01:50:27.906 --> 01:50:28.835 institutions he's 01:50:28.835 --> 01:50:30.075 put into place are 01:50:30.075 --> 01:50:31.775 designed deliberately 01:50:32.036 --> 01:50:33.525 to keep people from 01:50:33.545 --> 01:50:34.885 their culture and 01:50:34.885 --> 01:50:36.215 from passing it down. 01:50:37.195 --> 01:50:37.795 So in other 01:50:37.795 --> 01:50:38.895 words, you have 01:50:38.896 --> 01:50:40.305 to assume not only 01:50:40.316 --> 01:50:41.295 are the churches 01:50:41.295 --> 01:50:42.996 co-opted, you must 01:50:43.015 --> 01:50:44.605 assume that your 01:50:44.615 --> 01:50:46.215 government schools 01:50:46.255 --> 01:50:48.686 are co-opted, and 01:50:48.695 --> 01:50:50.565 therefore you must 01:50:50.965 --> 01:50:53.225 become an autodidact- 01:50:55.463 --> 01:50:56.443 You must teach 01:50:56.453 --> 01:50:57.573 yourself. 01:50:58.123 --> 01:50:59.073 Understand the 01:50:59.073 --> 01:50:59.753 government's not 01:50:59.753 --> 01:51:00.733 gonna do it for you. 01:51:01.593 --> 01:51:02.513 The government is 01:51:02.513 --> 01:51:03.733 not gonna t- teach 01:51:03.733 --> 01:51:05.283 you how to appreciate 01:51:05.303 --> 01:51:07.323 Bach or Rembrandt or 01:51:08.003 --> 01:51:08.903 any of those people. 01:51:08.913 --> 01:51:10.333 They could care less. 01:51:10.803 --> 01:51:11.983 They want people 01:51:11.983 --> 01:51:13.023 producing tax 01:51:13.023 --> 01:51:13.743 money for them. 01:51:13.743 --> 01:51:14.533 That's all they want. 01:51:16.333 --> 01:51:17.293 So if you wanna learn 01:51:17.293 --> 01:51:18.053 those things, the 01:51:18.053 --> 01:51:18.633 other thing you're 01:51:18.633 --> 01:51:19.413 gonna have to do to 01:51:19.423 --> 01:51:20.703 own the culture is 01:51:20.703 --> 01:51:21.253 you're gonna have to 01:51:21.253 --> 01:51:22.483 teach it to yourself. 01:51:23.303 --> 01:51:23.593 If you're 01:51:24.203 --> 01:51:25.003 Dutch culture. 01:51:25.013 --> 01:51:25.283 If you're 01:51:25.293 --> 01:51:26.183 French, French. 01:51:26.803 --> 01:51:27.873 Even i- if you're 01:51:27.933 --> 01:51:28.924 Emmanuel Macron, 01:51:28.924 --> 01:51:29.843 yeah, Emmanuel, 01:51:29.844 --> 01:51:30.883 there is such a thing 01:51:31.103 --> 01:51:32.363 as French culture. 01:51:32.673 --> 01:51:33.503 There is French 01:51:33.504 --> 01:51:34.254 literature. 01:51:34.263 --> 01:51:34.693 There is 01:51:34.693 --> 01:51:35.653 French music. 01:51:35.683 --> 01:51:36.213 Yeah. 01:51:36.513 --> 01:51:37.423 So you might wanna go 01:51:37.423 --> 01:51:38.103 out and learn about 01:51:38.103 --> 01:51:39.303 it, Emmanuel, and 01:51:39.343 --> 01:51:40.393 imbibe some of it. 01:51:40.393 --> 01:51:41.213 You might like it 01:51:45.033 --> 01:51:45.753 I'm thinking back 01:51:45.783 --> 01:51:46.664 to KOR and the 01:51:46.664 --> 01:51:47.353 free-floating 01:51:47.353 --> 01:51:48.143 university. 01:51:48.143 --> 01:51:48.453 Bingo. 01:51:48.453 --> 01:51:49.343 Bingo. 01:51:49.463 --> 01:51:50.143 Bingo. 01:51:50.173 --> 01:51:51.053 That's my point. 01:51:51.083 --> 01:51:51.483 Yes. 01:51:51.813 --> 01:51:52.853 They, in other words, 01:51:52.893 --> 01:51:54.184 they recognized 01:51:54.443 --> 01:51:55.383 that the Communist 01:51:55.393 --> 01:51:56.323 Party wasn't gonna 01:51:56.343 --> 01:51:57.693 teach them one 01:51:58.263 --> 01:52:01.114 wretched thing about 01:52:01.114 --> 01:52:02.273 Polish history or 01:52:02.273 --> 01:52:03.643 culture that it 01:52:03.643 --> 01:52:04.643 did not approve of 01:52:07.633 --> 01:52:08.623 And even if they 01:52:08.623 --> 01:52:09.583 were forced to teach 01:52:09.583 --> 01:52:10.333 it, it was always 01:52:10.333 --> 01:52:10.873 gonna be through 01:52:10.873 --> 01:52:12.513 the Marxist filter. 01:52:15.643 --> 01:52:16.783 They realized early 01:52:16.783 --> 01:52:17.623 on, if we're gonna, 01:52:17.643 --> 01:52:18.423 if we're gonna have 01:52:18.433 --> 01:52:19.703 Poland, we've got 01:52:19.713 --> 01:52:20.883 to, we've got to have 01:52:20.903 --> 01:52:23.883 Poland ourselves, and 01:52:23.883 --> 01:52:24.713 we've got to teach 01:52:24.733 --> 01:52:26.173 Poland ourselves. 01:52:27.163 --> 01:52:28.063 It's the same thing. 01:52:29.293 --> 01:52:29.913 And I think there's 01:52:29.913 --> 01:52:30.843 a very important 01:52:30.873 --> 01:52:32.043 other point in here, 01:52:32.043 --> 01:52:32.943 is that we need 01:52:32.943 --> 01:52:33.953 to take ownership. 01:52:33.963 --> 01:52:33.993 Yes. 01:52:34.133 --> 01:52:35.293 Because what I see 01:52:35.553 --> 01:52:36.513 as well is that a 01:52:36.513 --> 01:52:37.423 lot of people think 01:52:37.433 --> 01:52:39.053 that, " if I vote 01:52:39.073 --> 01:52:40.543 for this person 01:52:40.543 --> 01:52:41.333 is going to change 01:52:41.333 --> 01:52:42.283 it," or, "He needs 01:52:42.283 --> 01:52:43.803 to do that," but 01:52:45.883 --> 01:52:46.954 we need to wait 01:52:46.954 --> 01:52:48.503 until other stuff 01:52:48.503 --> 01:52:49.433 starts happening. 01:52:49.673 --> 01:52:49.863 Yes. 01:52:49.863 --> 01:52:50.603 But we need to 01:52:50.603 --> 01:52:51.113 start doing it. 01:52:51.813 --> 01:52:52.753 Yeah, exactly. 01:52:53.074 --> 01:52:55.124 By the idea that 01:52:55.133 --> 01:52:55.873 we're gonna change 01:52:55.873 --> 01:52:56.893 this through 01:52:56.943 --> 01:52:58.033 political process 01:52:58.373 --> 01:52:59.153 simply means 01:52:59.183 --> 01:53:00.163 we've surrendered 01:53:00.173 --> 01:53:01.113 our agency. 01:53:02.043 --> 01:53:02.323 Yes. 01:53:02.753 --> 01:53:03.263 We're making 01:53:03.263 --> 01:53:04.363 ourselves passive. 01:53:05.553 --> 01:53:06.143 No. 01:53:08.353 --> 01:53:09.863 Being active and 01:53:09.863 --> 01:53:10.723 engaged with the 01:53:10.723 --> 01:53:12.253 culture… People 01:53:12.253 --> 01:53:13.063 ask me why do I 01:53:13.063 --> 01:53:13.753 listen to so much 01:53:13.783 --> 01:53:14.563 classical music. 01:53:15.353 --> 01:53:16.203 It's my culture. 01:53:16.234 --> 01:53:16.713 There's a lot 01:53:16.713 --> 01:53:17.253 of it out there. 01:53:17.253 --> 01:53:17.673 I like to 01:53:17.673 --> 01:53:18.353 listen to it. 01:53:18.613 --> 01:53:19.453 I like to hear it. 01:53:20.263 --> 01:53:22.973 And that's active. 01:53:23.133 --> 01:53:23.913 Believe it or not, 01:53:23.914 --> 01:53:25.063 that is active. 01:53:25.083 --> 01:53:27.303 That's not passivity. 01:53:28.243 --> 01:53:29.383 That's being active. 01:53:29.704 --> 01:53:30.703 Reading a book, 01:53:30.803 --> 01:53:31.853 learning, teaching 01:53:31.853 --> 01:53:33.483 yourself which I've 01:53:33.484 --> 01:53:34.783 got to do, a little 01:53:34.783 --> 01:53:35.543 bit of plumbing. 01:53:35.993 --> 01:53:36.763 I have a plumbing 01:53:36.783 --> 01:53:37.323 problem I've 01:53:37.323 --> 01:53:37.883 gotta fix. 01:53:38.344 --> 01:53:39.453 So yeah, that's 01:53:39.453 --> 01:53:40.143 being active. 01:53:41.373 --> 01:53:43.333 So I don't see I 01:53:43.333 --> 01:53:43.963 don't see what 01:53:43.963 --> 01:53:45.173 the problem is for 01:53:45.173 --> 01:53:46.013 people, " we've 01:53:46.013 --> 01:53:46.643 gotta vote for 01:53:46.643 --> 01:53:47.873 the right pe-" No. 01:53:48.164 --> 01:53:49.033 What are you? 01:53:50.985 --> 01:53:51.405 That's just 01:53:51.405 --> 01:53:52.095 being, that's just 01:53:52.095 --> 01:53:53.035 being a robot. 01:53:53.065 --> 01:53:54.275 I I'm voting for 01:53:54.275 --> 01:53:55.505 the guy that the 01:53:55.515 --> 01:53:56.615 idiot box tells 01:53:56.615 --> 01:53:57.605 me to vote for. 01:53:57.875 --> 01:53:58.445 Come on. 01:54:01.095 --> 01:54:02.545 No I don't see 01:54:02.545 --> 01:54:03.375 that as active. 01:54:03.375 --> 01:54:03.885 That, that's a 01:54:03.885 --> 01:54:05.075 form of passivity. 01:54:06.295 --> 01:54:07.225 Getting together with 01:54:07.226 --> 01:54:08.325 friends to discuss 01:54:08.325 --> 01:54:08.985 a book that you're 01:54:08.985 --> 01:54:09.775 all interested in 01:54:10.335 --> 01:54:11.355 that's activity. 01:54:12.395 --> 01:54:13.415 And it may not s- it, 01:54:13.415 --> 01:54:14.755 it may not seem like 01:54:14.755 --> 01:54:16.275 much, but that kind 01:54:16.275 --> 01:54:18.415 of stuff there's a 01:54:18.415 --> 01:54:19.555 reason that during 01:54:19.565 --> 01:54:20.535 COVID they said, 01:54:20.665 --> 01:54:21.885 had people spying on 01:54:21.895 --> 01:54:24.145 people and reporting 01:54:24.166 --> 01:54:25.295 if people had more 01:54:25.295 --> 01:54:26.026 than two or three 01:54:26.335 --> 01:54:27.145 people or guests 01:54:27.146 --> 01:54:27.695 in their home. 01:54:28.105 --> 01:54:29.085 That's where 01:54:29.125 --> 01:54:30.805 revolutions grow. 01:54:31.925 --> 01:54:32.215 It's the 01:54:32.215 --> 01:54:33.415 coffee culture. 01:54:34.225 --> 01:54:35.125 It's the coffee 01:54:35.125 --> 01:54:36.745 shop pub culture. 01:54:37.015 --> 01:54:37.815 You betcha. 01:54:38.435 --> 01:54:38.805 That's where 01:54:38.805 --> 01:54:39.545 they grow. 01:54:41.335 --> 01:54:42.185 And they can't, and 01:54:42.185 --> 01:54:43.375 never have been able 01:54:43.375 --> 01:54:44.745 to control it, and 01:54:44.745 --> 01:54:45.565 they never will be 01:54:45.575 --> 01:54:46.695 able to control it. 01:54:47.285 --> 01:54:49.025 And I think there is 01:54:49.065 --> 01:54:50.395 also very important 01:54:50.415 --> 01:54:51.235 point b- because 01:54:51.235 --> 01:54:52.185 what I notice in 01:54:52.185 --> 01:54:53.635 the Dutch resistance 01:54:53.635 --> 01:54:54.805 movement is that 01:54:55.315 --> 01:54:56.545 we mirror something 01:54:56.546 --> 01:54:58.435 of the inability to 01:54:58.445 --> 01:54:59.645 have real debates. 01:55:00.605 --> 01:55:03.515 So instead of 01:55:04.015 --> 01:55:05.035 this person has a 01:55:05.035 --> 01:55:06.045 different opinion 01:55:06.355 --> 01:55:07.855 than I have, we have 01:55:07.855 --> 01:55:09.355 this saying, w- we 01:55:09.896 --> 01:55:10.955 we say if somebody 01:55:10.995 --> 01:55:12.375 is awake or not, and 01:55:12.375 --> 01:55:13.355 that's not the US 01:55:13.826 --> 01:55:14.715 the American woke. 01:55:15.135 --> 01:55:15.935 It's if they 01:55:15.936 --> 01:55:16.855 understand that 01:55:16.945 --> 01:55:17.175 things are- 01:55:17.576 --> 01:55:18.305 really off and 01:55:18.305 --> 01:55:18.816 the government 01:55:18.816 --> 01:55:19.695 is lying to you. 01:55:20.045 --> 01:55:20.315 Right. 01:55:20.315 --> 01:55:20.880 And then it's 01:55:21.315 --> 01:55:22.365 he's not really 01:55:22.375 --> 01:55:23.935 awake," or, "They 01:55:23.936 --> 01:55:24.945 are very awake." 01:55:25.805 --> 01:55:27.285 But it… So it's 01:55:27.285 --> 01:55:28.125 not somebody has a 01:55:28.125 --> 01:55:28.895 different opinion, 01:55:28.896 --> 01:55:29.595 but somebody's 01:55:29.595 --> 01:55:30.605 opinion is good or 01:55:30.615 --> 01:55:32.175 bad, and that's not 01:55:32.175 --> 01:55:34.595 a basis for a good 01:55:34.595 --> 01:55:35.905 exchange, I think. 01:55:36.735 --> 01:55:37.565 No, it's not. 01:55:37.985 --> 01:55:39.695 But I can assure 01:55:39.695 --> 01:55:40.745 you, you're probably 01:55:40.755 --> 01:55:41.755 much better off in 01:55:41.755 --> 01:55:43.055 Europe than we are in 01:55:43.055 --> 01:55:44.055 this country because 01:55:44.055 --> 01:55:45.055 in this country 01:55:47.896 --> 01:55:49.105 what passes for 01:55:49.115 --> 01:55:50.265 debate and public 01:55:50.265 --> 01:55:51.705 discourse now is 01:55:51.715 --> 01:55:52.875 simply ad hominem 01:55:52.875 --> 01:55:54.995 attacks all the time. 01:55:55.615 --> 01:55:56.685 Or if you think 01:55:56.685 --> 01:55:59.025 that you're a 01:55:59.425 --> 01:56:00.195 misogynist or a 01:56:00.195 --> 01:56:02.125 racist or a fascist 01:56:02.125 --> 01:56:02.715 or a communist 01:56:03.235 --> 01:56:04.515 it's the immediate 01:56:04.575 --> 01:56:06.865 leap that Americans 01:56:06.866 --> 01:56:07.915 have to apply a 01:56:07.915 --> 01:56:09.765 label to something. 01:56:10.355 --> 01:56:11.535 And once the label 01:56:11.535 --> 01:56:12.395 is applied, then 01:56:12.396 --> 01:56:13.485 we need not pay any 01:56:13.485 --> 01:56:14.515 attention to you. 01:56:16.545 --> 01:56:17.765 That is slowly 01:56:17.775 --> 01:56:19.015 changing, and I think 01:56:19.015 --> 01:56:20.186 it's slowly changing 01:56:20.186 --> 01:56:23.386 because certain 01:56:23.386 --> 01:56:24.206 events happened in 01:56:24.206 --> 01:56:25.115 this country that I 01:56:25.116 --> 01:56:25.935 don't think anyone 01:56:25.935 --> 01:56:26.585 predicted would 01:56:26.595 --> 01:56:27.355 have the cultural 01:56:27.355 --> 01:56:28.405 consequences that 01:56:28.405 --> 01:56:29.115 they've had, and 01:56:29.116 --> 01:56:29.606 I don't think… 01:56:30.055 --> 01:56:30.535 I think they're 01:56:30.545 --> 01:56:31.286 just beginning. 01:56:31.635 --> 01:56:32.246 But I think in 01:56:32.246 --> 01:56:33.305 Europe, at least 01:56:33.305 --> 01:56:34.425 in Europe, you 01:56:34.425 --> 01:56:37.857 have, By and large, 01:56:37.867 --> 01:56:38.897 my impression is 01:56:39.197 --> 01:56:40.537 that you have a 01:56:40.537 --> 01:56:41.227 more literate 01:56:41.237 --> 01:56:43.107 population than 01:56:43.107 --> 01:56:44.457 you do in America. 01:56:44.507 --> 01:56:45.607 And because of that, 01:56:45.617 --> 01:56:46.537 there's at least 01:56:46.547 --> 01:56:48.437 some minimal level 01:56:48.457 --> 01:56:50.037 of cultural awareness 01:56:50.747 --> 01:56:51.517 in Europe that 01:56:51.517 --> 01:56:52.687 there is not here. 01:56:53.657 --> 01:56:54.607 People think good 01:56:54.607 --> 01:56:55.717 music in the United 01:56:55.717 --> 01:56:56.537 States began in 01:56:56.557 --> 01:56:58.487 1964 when The 01:56:58.487 --> 01:56:59.347 Beatles appeared 01:56:59.347 --> 01:57:00.327 on Ed Sullivan. 01:57:01.027 --> 01:57:01.777 Everything else 01:57:01.787 --> 01:57:02.667 prior to that is 01:57:02.677 --> 01:57:03.567 the Dark Ages. 01:57:04.307 --> 01:57:04.847 Okay? 01:57:06.297 --> 01:57:06.897 That's about 01:57:06.897 --> 01:57:08.067 how bad it is. 01:57:10.587 --> 01:57:11.727 And similarly for 01:57:11.727 --> 01:57:13.138 art and literature. 01:57:13.938 --> 01:57:14.957 Nothing before 01:57:14.957 --> 01:57:16.957 the 1960s is of 01:57:16.977 --> 01:57:18.097 any consequence, 01:57:18.697 --> 01:57:20.607 which th- that's 01:57:20.607 --> 01:57:21.407 just basically 01:57:21.717 --> 01:57:24.047 the, It's the 01:57:24.047 --> 01:57:25.258 American tradition 01:57:25.258 --> 01:57:26.387 of anti-tradition 01:57:26.547 --> 01:57:27.117 rearing its 01:57:27.117 --> 01:57:27.987 head again. 01:57:30.008 --> 01:57:30.807 Y- you're more 01:57:30.807 --> 01:57:31.717 fortunate in Europe 01:57:31.727 --> 01:57:32.237 because you're 01:57:32.237 --> 01:57:34.397 literally physically 01:57:34.397 --> 01:57:35.217 surrounded with 01:57:35.217 --> 01:57:37.965 it You can go out. 01:57:37.965 --> 01:57:38.155 That's true. 01:57:38.465 --> 01:57:39.435 You are physically 01:57:40.255 --> 01:57:40.885 you see the 01:57:40.885 --> 01:57:41.955 cathedrals. 01:57:42.405 --> 01:57:43.195 You can look at, 01:57:43.425 --> 01:57:44.135 you can look at 01:57:44.135 --> 01:57:45.155 the paintings. 01:57:46.275 --> 01:57:47.785 Y- you're 01:57:47.785 --> 01:57:48.275 literally 01:57:48.275 --> 01:57:49.565 physically not 01:57:49.605 --> 01:57:50.705 able to escape it. 01:57:50.895 --> 01:57:51.755 In this country, 01:57:51.755 --> 01:57:52.835 we're able to escape 01:57:52.835 --> 01:57:54.685 it because we don't 01:57:54.685 --> 01:57:55.555 have anything that 01:57:55.565 --> 01:57:56.755 old to look at. 01:57:59.595 --> 01:58:00.365 So you've got a 01:58:00.365 --> 01:58:01.285 whole tradition of 01:58:01.285 --> 01:58:03.055 anti-tradition, and 01:58:03.615 --> 01:58:04.615 even what we would 01:58:04.615 --> 01:58:06.015 consider old all 01:58:06.015 --> 01:58:07.005 those statues of 01:58:07.005 --> 01:58:07.875 all those old white 01:58:07.875 --> 01:58:09.215 guys we're busily 01:58:09.215 --> 01:58:10.285 tearing those down 01:58:10.386 --> 01:58:12.005 as fast as we can. 01:58:12.995 --> 01:58:13.965 So there's not gonna 01:58:13.965 --> 01:58:15.885 be much left of the 01:58:15.885 --> 01:58:17.615 American identity by 01:58:17.645 --> 01:58:18.776 the time these people 01:58:18.776 --> 01:58:19.555 are done with it. 01:58:19.616 --> 01:58:21.966 But and 01:58:22.035 --> 01:58:22.855 that, that won't 01:58:22.866 --> 01:58:23.575 happen either. 01:58:23.585 --> 01:58:24.595 That that's an 01:58:24.595 --> 01:58:25.505 impossibility. 01:58:25.505 --> 01:58:27.775 But you're 01:58:27.785 --> 01:58:28.925 better off in Europe 01:58:28.925 --> 01:58:29.815 in that sense. 01:58:29.995 --> 01:58:30.625 You're, you 01:58:30.625 --> 01:58:31.455 literally can't 01:58:31.455 --> 01:58:33.335 escape it in Europe, 01:58:33.616 --> 01:58:34.455 which is good. 01:58:35.125 --> 01:58:35.735 It's good. 01:58:37.505 --> 01:58:38.985 I also interviewed an 01:58:39.135 --> 01:58:40.485 activist, Terri Hall, 01:58:40.615 --> 01:58:42.215 and she mentioned, 01:58:42.226 --> 01:58:44.236 she said they have 01:58:44.236 --> 01:58:45.306 a blueprint of what 01:58:45.306 --> 01:58:46.335 they want to do and 01:58:46.336 --> 01:58:47.545 what their utopian 01:58:47.546 --> 01:58:48.495 world looks like. 01:58:48.605 --> 01:58:49.816 But on our side, we 01:58:49.816 --> 01:58:50.926 don't, and we really 01:58:50.926 --> 01:58:51.746 need to implement 01:58:51.815 --> 01:58:52.975 our own form of this. 01:58:53.385 --> 01:58:54.035 No matter who's 01:58:54.035 --> 01:58:54.776 in charge, no 01:58:54.776 --> 01:58:55.655 matter what ad- 01:58:55.656 --> 01:58:56.535 administration may 01:58:56.535 --> 01:58:57.935 be there, no matter 01:58:57.935 --> 01:58:58.955 what politicians are 01:58:58.955 --> 01:59:00.175 in Congress, ne- we 01:59:00.175 --> 01:59:01.205 need to have our ox- 01:59:01.226 --> 01:59:02.495 action plan to know 01:59:02.495 --> 01:59:03.485 what freedom- looks 01:59:03.485 --> 01:59:04.756 like, what true 01:59:04.756 --> 01:59:05.685 private property 01:59:05.726 --> 01:59:06.675 roo- looks like, and 01:59:06.675 --> 01:59:07.156 protect them- Yes 01:59:07.185 --> 01:59:08.036 with our lives. 01:59:08.445 --> 01:59:08.805 Yes. 01:59:08.845 --> 01:59:10.715 And I was wondering 01:59:12.065 --> 01:59:13.375 yeah, such a vision 01:59:13.935 --> 01:59:14.845 what do you think 01:59:15.555 --> 01:59:17.115 what would such a 01:59:17.116 --> 01:59:17.936 vision look like? 01:59:17.965 --> 01:59:18.555 What would be a 01:59:18.555 --> 01:59:19.795 good counter vision? 01:59:21.375 --> 01:59:21.995 I think it's 01:59:21.995 --> 01:59:23.095 important to have a 01:59:23.095 --> 01:59:26.535 goal and to have that 01:59:26.535 --> 01:59:28.285 goal be articulated 01:59:28.335 --> 01:59:29.355 and argued. 01:59:30.685 --> 01:59:31.745 One of the goals 01:59:31.785 --> 01:59:32.485 I think that is 01:59:32.525 --> 01:59:34.255 absolutely necessary 01:59:35.695 --> 01:59:37.455 is a thoroughgoing 01:59:37.985 --> 01:59:39.005 critique of our 01:59:39.046 --> 01:59:40.025 current political 01:59:40.055 --> 01:59:41.025 institutions 01:59:43.121 --> 01:59:44.671 I certainly am not 01:59:44.711 --> 01:59:47.841 advocating for people 01:59:47.841 --> 01:59:51.311 like Jeb Bush or 01:59:51.321 --> 01:59:53.581 Margarethe or Angela 01:59:53.641 --> 01:59:55.661 Merkel or Emmanuel 01:59:55.661 --> 01:59:58.411 Macron or John-- 01:59:58.791 --> 01:59:59.801 or Donald Trump 02:00:00.191 --> 02:00:01.331 getting their ugly 02:00:01.331 --> 02:00:02.771 mitts on any sort 02:00:02.791 --> 02:00:03.751 of constitutional 02:00:03.751 --> 02:00:06.231 process in any 02:00:06.231 --> 02:00:06.941 of the Western 02:00:06.941 --> 02:00:07.361 countries. 02:00:07.361 --> 02:00:07.851 That's not what 02:00:07.851 --> 02:00:08.371 I'm saying. 02:00:08.781 --> 02:00:09.691 I'm saying what we 02:00:09.691 --> 02:00:11.771 need is what our 02:00:12.491 --> 02:00:13.561 American founding 02:00:13.561 --> 02:00:15.201 fathers, both the 02:00:15.201 --> 02:00:16.221 Federalists and the 02:00:16.222 --> 02:00:17.131 Anti-Federalists, I 02:00:17.131 --> 02:00:18.191 always include them 02:00:19.021 --> 02:00:19.732 because they're not 02:00:19.751 --> 02:00:20.631 mentioned very much 02:00:20.631 --> 02:00:21.871 anymore, but they're 02:00:21.871 --> 02:00:22.661 very important. 02:00:24.051 --> 02:00:25.391 What they did was 02:00:25.812 --> 02:00:28.331 they subjected the 02:00:28.681 --> 02:00:30.302 political structure 02:00:30.312 --> 02:00:31.691 in this country to as 02:00:31.701 --> 02:00:32.941 thorough a critique 02:00:32.972 --> 02:00:33.951 as they were able to 02:00:33.961 --> 02:00:35.511 give it in the short 02:00:35.531 --> 02:00:36.371 amount of time that 02:00:36.371 --> 02:00:37.351 they had to do it. 02:00:38.801 --> 02:00:40.341 We've got a long 02:00:40.341 --> 02:00:41.541 window of time, 02:00:41.571 --> 02:00:42.241 I think, that we 02:00:42.241 --> 02:00:43.011 can do that sort 02:00:43.011 --> 02:00:43.691 of thing and do 02:00:43.691 --> 02:00:44.611 a good job of it. 02:00:45.771 --> 02:00:46.841 One of the things 02:00:46.871 --> 02:00:47.681 that I've often 02:00:47.731 --> 02:00:48.932 commented about, and 02:00:49.251 --> 02:00:50.521 this I think will 02:00:50.521 --> 02:00:51.391 go to your question 02:00:51.391 --> 02:00:54.112 more directly, is 02:00:54.211 --> 02:00:57.521 for me the American 02:00:57.531 --> 02:00:58.382 Bill of Rights, the 02:00:58.382 --> 02:00:59.562 first 10 amendments 02:00:59.562 --> 02:01:00.221 to the American 02:01:00.222 --> 02:01:03.921 Constitution, are 02:01:04.801 --> 02:01:07.341 the goal and the 02:01:07.341 --> 02:01:10.041 roadmap, okay? 02:01:12.199 --> 02:01:13.209 Because in a 02:01:13.209 --> 02:01:14.359 certain sense, this 02:01:14.359 --> 02:01:15.169 country has not 02:01:15.169 --> 02:01:16.789 been very good in, 02:01:16.899 --> 02:01:17.809 in keeping some of 02:01:17.819 --> 02:01:18.659 those amendments. 02:01:19.789 --> 02:01:21.229 And the telltale 02:01:21.229 --> 02:01:22.889 sign, and this is 02:01:22.889 --> 02:01:23.989 a key component, 02:01:25.039 --> 02:01:26.489 when we're talking 02:01:26.499 --> 02:01:29.409 about goals, it is 02:01:29.409 --> 02:01:30.669 very important to 02:01:30.669 --> 02:01:32.149 bear in mind that 02:01:32.159 --> 02:01:33.849 you have to keep the 02:01:33.899 --> 02:01:36.049 order of questions 02:01:37.169 --> 02:01:38.819 in their proper order 02:01:40.911 --> 02:01:42.651 The order of asking 02:01:42.661 --> 02:01:44.211 the question is as 02:01:44.211 --> 02:01:45.921 important as the 02:01:45.921 --> 02:01:47.091 question itself. 02:01:47.881 --> 02:01:48.341 And what do I 02:01:48.371 --> 02:01:48.901 mean by that? 02:01:48.911 --> 02:01:49.641 The order of 02:01:49.641 --> 02:01:51.031 concepts is as 02:01:51.051 --> 02:01:52.061 important as the 02:01:52.061 --> 02:01:53.351 concepts themselves. 02:01:54.451 --> 02:01:55.501 Because you'll note 02:01:55.531 --> 02:01:56.281 that there is a 02:01:56.301 --> 02:01:57.921 fundamental flaw 02:01:58.021 --> 02:01:58.881 in the American 02:01:58.901 --> 02:01:59.841 Constitution 02:02:02.693 --> 02:02:03.843 And that flaw is 02:02:03.863 --> 02:02:05.283 disclosed by the 02:02:05.283 --> 02:02:07.813 fact that the Bill 02:02:07.813 --> 02:02:10.243 of Rights were the 02:02:10.243 --> 02:02:11.623 first 10 amendments. 02:02:13.483 --> 02:02:14.563 The Constitution 02:02:14.573 --> 02:02:15.583 as written should 02:02:15.583 --> 02:02:16.513 have said, "We, 02:02:16.513 --> 02:02:17.493 the people of the 02:02:17.493 --> 02:02:18.403 United States of 02:02:18.403 --> 02:02:19.693 America, in order to 02:02:19.693 --> 02:02:20.873 form a more perfect 02:02:20.873 --> 02:02:23.443 union, do establish 02:02:23.443 --> 02:02:24.463 and recognize the 02:02:24.463 --> 02:02:26.373 following inalienable 02:02:26.373 --> 02:02:29.013 rights," and then 02:02:29.073 --> 02:02:30.523 enumerated the Bill 02:02:30.523 --> 02:02:31.793 of Rights before they 02:02:31.793 --> 02:02:33.593 did anything else. 02:02:35.123 --> 02:02:36.363 But what they did, 02:02:36.364 --> 02:02:37.124 this will show 02:02:37.124 --> 02:02:37.703 you where their 02:02:37.704 --> 02:02:39.513 thinking was, and 02:02:39.513 --> 02:02:41.243 it has ruined this 02:02:41.243 --> 02:02:42.514 republic ever since. 02:02:42.963 --> 02:02:43.833 Their thinking was, 02:02:44.123 --> 02:02:45.164 " all we gotta do is 02:02:45.164 --> 02:02:46.033 just get the right 02:02:46.083 --> 02:02:47.663 process together, 02:02:48.713 --> 02:02:49.763 and we'll be able 02:02:49.763 --> 02:02:50.643 to govern this 02:02:50.723 --> 02:02:52.123 vast expanse of a 02:02:52.123 --> 02:02:53.513 country with two 02:02:53.573 --> 02:02:54.913 completely different 02:02:54.933 --> 02:02:56.003 kinds of culture 02:02:56.003 --> 02:02:57.503 and economies in it 02:02:58.063 --> 02:02:59.164 if we just get the 02:02:59.164 --> 02:03:00.494 right process down." 02:03:00.683 --> 02:03:01.083 They were 02:03:01.133 --> 02:03:02.193 technocrats, in 02:03:02.193 --> 02:03:03.143 other word, Elza. 02:03:04.853 --> 02:03:05.313 They were 02:03:05.353 --> 02:03:07.974 technocrats, every 02:03:07.974 --> 02:03:08.914 last one of them. 02:03:09.233 --> 02:03:10.693 Alexander Hamilton, 02:03:10.963 --> 02:03:11.193 technocrat. 02:03:12.213 --> 02:03:13.403 James Madison, 02:03:13.893 --> 02:03:14.503 technocrat. 02:03:14.543 --> 02:03:15.844 Not so much later. 02:03:16.204 --> 02:03:17.304 Thomas Jefferson, 02:03:17.593 --> 02:03:18.313 technocrat 02:03:21.383 --> 02:03:22.273 They came up with 02:03:22.273 --> 02:03:24.403 a process solution 02:03:25.503 --> 02:03:26.413 that they knew had 02:03:26.413 --> 02:03:27.233 to be temporary, 02:03:27.233 --> 02:03:28.633 by the way, for 02:03:28.633 --> 02:03:29.443 a fundamental 02:03:29.463 --> 02:03:30.023 cultural and 02:03:30.023 --> 02:03:31.263 cosmological problem, 02:03:31.263 --> 02:03:31.993 which wasn't. 02:03:33.053 --> 02:03:33.783 Okay? 02:03:34.223 --> 02:03:35.303 So in other words, 02:03:36.293 --> 02:03:37.313 you've gotta get the 02:03:37.313 --> 02:03:38.303 order of questions 02:03:38.303 --> 02:03:39.173 in the right order. 02:03:39.993 --> 02:03:41.033 Front and center 02:03:41.793 --> 02:03:42.553 should have been 02:03:42.553 --> 02:03:43.653 that Bill of Rights, 02:03:44.453 --> 02:03:45.723 and it also should 02:03:45.723 --> 02:03:46.673 have recognized 02:03:46.693 --> 02:03:47.453 the Declaration 02:03:47.453 --> 02:03:48.513 of Independence as 02:03:48.513 --> 02:03:49.963 having legal status, 02:03:50.383 --> 02:03:51.163 which it does not 02:03:51.163 --> 02:03:52.263 have in this country. 02:03:53.563 --> 02:03:54.913 Believe it or not. 02:03:56.503 --> 02:03:57.693 All that wonderful 02:03:57.703 --> 02:03:58.573 verbiage in the 02:03:58.573 --> 02:03:59.243 Declaration of 02:03:59.244 --> 02:04:00.473 Independence, "When 02:04:00.473 --> 02:04:01.163 in the course of 02:04:01.163 --> 02:04:02.473 human events," or, 02:04:02.473 --> 02:04:03.823 "When a long chain of 02:04:03.823 --> 02:04:06.263 abuses," all of that 02:04:06.263 --> 02:04:08.074 wonderful… It's not 02:04:08.074 --> 02:04:09.083 in the Constitution. 02:04:10.813 --> 02:04:11.303 So what did 02:04:11.303 --> 02:04:12.154 we fight for? 02:04:14.311 --> 02:04:14.781 It should have 02:04:14.781 --> 02:04:16.261 been enshrined in 02:04:16.261 --> 02:04:17.201 the Constitution 02:04:18.011 --> 02:04:18.911 front and center 02:04:20.999 --> 02:04:22.999 So all of this and 02:04:22.999 --> 02:04:23.759 we fought a civil 02:04:23.759 --> 02:04:25.619 war over whether we 02:04:25.619 --> 02:04:26.369 could interpret the 02:04:26.369 --> 02:04:27.489 Constitution in terms 02:04:27.859 --> 02:04:29.299 of the Bill of Rights 02:04:29.309 --> 02:04:30.139 and the Declaration 02:04:30.159 --> 02:04:32.969 or not, and by 02:04:32.969 --> 02:04:33.949 the way, both sides 02:04:33.949 --> 02:04:35.349 were arguing both 02:04:35.359 --> 02:04:36.689 sides of the issue, 02:04:37.959 --> 02:04:38.939 believe it or not. 02:04:39.099 --> 02:04:39.649 That's why the 02:04:39.649 --> 02:04:40.779 war was so bloody. 02:04:41.399 --> 02:04:42.399 The Confederacy was 02:04:42.399 --> 02:04:43.439 not entirely wrong, 02:04:43.449 --> 02:04:44.359 nor was the Union 02:04:44.359 --> 02:04:45.199 entirely right, 02:04:45.219 --> 02:04:46.269 and vice versa. 02:04:48.689 --> 02:04:49.639 So all of these 02:04:49.639 --> 02:04:50.979 issues, so we've got 02:04:50.989 --> 02:04:51.609 to do the… This 02:04:51.609 --> 02:04:52.269 has got to be our 02:04:52.269 --> 02:04:53.309 goal, in other words. 02:04:53.759 --> 02:04:54.619 W- if we're gonna 02:04:54.619 --> 02:04:55.549 formulate a goal, 02:04:55.549 --> 02:04:56.080 we have to be 02:04:56.080 --> 02:04:57.639 very careful about 02:04:57.639 --> 02:04:59.179 formulating the 02:04:59.179 --> 02:05:00.559 hierarchy of values. 02:05:00.559 --> 02:05:01.009 There, I'm gonna 02:05:01.009 --> 02:05:01.879 use that term. 02:05:02.399 --> 02:05:02.929 Formulating the 02:05:02.929 --> 02:05:04.049 hierarchy of values 02:05:04.049 --> 02:05:05.719 or formulating the 02:05:06.039 --> 02:05:07.739 hierarchy of concepts 02:05:07.939 --> 02:05:09.039 within that goal. 02:05:09.739 --> 02:05:10.449 Now, you mentioned 02:05:10.459 --> 02:05:11.499 two right up front 02:05:11.610 --> 02:05:12.269 that I think are 02:05:12.269 --> 02:05:14.099 crucial: personal 02:05:14.099 --> 02:05:15.049 liberty and freedom, 02:05:15.129 --> 02:05:16.239 and property rights. 02:05:17.429 --> 02:05:18.139 Absolutely. 02:05:18.179 --> 02:05:19.109 Absolutely those 02:05:19.119 --> 02:05:20.589 have to be front 02:05:20.589 --> 02:05:22.009 and center, top, 02:05:22.279 --> 02:05:23.279 not an amendment 02:05:23.279 --> 02:05:24.189 that you pass later 02:05:25.279 --> 02:05:26.129 to get everybody 02:05:26.129 --> 02:05:27.530 to agree to, " this 02:05:27.629 --> 02:05:28.279 Constitution 02:05:28.279 --> 02:05:29.009 looks really good. 02:05:30.069 --> 02:05:30.639 We have some 02:05:30.639 --> 02:05:31.019 problems. 02:05:31.330 --> 02:05:32.099 We'll pass these 02:05:32.099 --> 02:05:32.999 amendments if 02:05:32.999 --> 02:05:33.699 you approve this 02:05:33.699 --> 02:05:34.369 Constitution." 02:05:35.549 --> 02:05:36.839 Eh, okay, maybe. 02:05:39.769 --> 02:05:40.350 I would've been 02:05:40.350 --> 02:05:40.969 like Patrick 02:05:40.969 --> 02:05:41.799 Henry in Virginia. 02:05:41.809 --> 02:05:42.339 I would've been 02:05:42.339 --> 02:05:43.339 stomping my feet 02:05:43.589 --> 02:05:44.389 and screaming 02:05:44.389 --> 02:05:45.330 bloody murder all 02:05:45.330 --> 02:05:46.229 the way till its 02:05:46.229 --> 02:05:47.069 ratification, and 02:05:47.549 --> 02:05:48.089 I still wouldn't 02:05:48.089 --> 02:05:48.830 have been happy. 02:05:51.229 --> 02:05:52.579 But anyway, that's 02:05:52.579 --> 02:05:53.460 what we need to do. 02:05:54.119 --> 02:05:55.409 Get the hierarchy of 02:05:55.419 --> 02:05:56.730 concepts and values 02:05:56.819 --> 02:05:59.109 firmly in mind. 02:06:02.009 --> 02:06:03.329 Second most important 02:06:03.329 --> 02:06:05.829 point is if you're 02:06:05.829 --> 02:06:06.939 gonna draw up an 02:06:06.949 --> 02:06:08.279 articulated list 02:06:08.279 --> 02:06:10.729 of goals, you have 02:06:10.729 --> 02:06:11.949 to understand that 02:06:11.949 --> 02:06:13.549 Western civilization 02:06:13.569 --> 02:06:14.909 is not, nor has 02:06:14.909 --> 02:06:16.849 it ever been about 02:06:16.879 --> 02:06:18.519 being perfect 02:06:21.351 --> 02:06:23.081 This is not Marxism. 02:06:24.651 --> 02:06:25.941 This is not 02:06:27.071 --> 02:06:28.891 democratic socialism. 02:06:30.031 --> 02:06:31.211 This is not third 02:06:31.211 --> 02:06:32.261 wave feminism. 02:06:33.101 --> 02:06:34.141 This is not 02:06:34.331 --> 02:06:35.361 fundamentalist 02:06:36.151 --> 02:06:37.401 evangelicalism. 02:06:37.781 --> 02:06:39.161 This is not Zion- It 02:06:39.161 --> 02:06:40.731 has never been about 02:06:40.741 --> 02:06:42.631 some perfect future 02:06:43.471 --> 02:06:45.011 in any of its guises. 02:06:46.521 --> 02:06:47.951 Western civilization 02:06:47.971 --> 02:06:50.511 is about being good 02:06:51.351 --> 02:06:52.551 and recognizing 02:06:52.551 --> 02:06:53.271 that part of that 02:06:53.271 --> 02:06:54.431 goodness is that it 02:06:54.451 --> 02:06:55.731 is still imperfect 02:06:57.999 --> 02:06:58.849 Absolutely. 02:06:59.769 --> 02:07:00.429 The moment we 02:07:00.429 --> 02:07:01.489 start talking about 02:07:01.489 --> 02:07:04.169 perfection of any 02:07:04.169 --> 02:07:05.679 sort as the goal, 02:07:05.729 --> 02:07:06.809 that's the moment 02:07:06.859 --> 02:07:08.389 we lose Western 02:07:08.389 --> 02:07:09.239 civilization. 02:07:09.549 --> 02:07:10.389 At that point, 02:07:10.419 --> 02:07:10.959 we might as well 02:07:10.959 --> 02:07:12.129 become Buddhists or 02:07:12.129 --> 02:07:13.649 Hindus or Marxists 02:07:13.649 --> 02:07:14.969 or communists or 02:07:14.969 --> 02:07:17.339 whatever, because 02:07:17.349 --> 02:07:18.419 all of those systems 02:07:18.449 --> 02:07:19.479 are about perfection. 02:07:19.959 --> 02:07:20.509 We're not. 02:07:22.399 --> 02:07:23.739 So I'm curious 02:07:23.739 --> 02:07:26.219 because I notice 02:07:26.269 --> 02:07:27.329 on a practical 02:07:27.329 --> 02:07:29.249 level, I've seen 02:07:29.269 --> 02:07:30.249 that perfection 02:07:30.250 --> 02:07:31.459 is very dangerous 02:07:31.500 --> 02:07:32.059 because- Yes 02:07:32.500 --> 02:07:33.379 you said that 02:07:33.379 --> 02:07:34.099 the Christian 02:07:34.099 --> 02:07:35.009 culture allows 02:07:35.009 --> 02:07:36.379 for individuality 02:07:36.379 --> 02:07:36.969 and for- Yes 02:07:36.969 --> 02:07:38.439 … mistakes, and as 02:07:38.439 --> 02:07:39.259 long as there can 02:07:39.259 --> 02:07:40.419 be individuals… 02:07:40.820 --> 02:07:41.919 Yeah to, because 02:07:41.919 --> 02:07:42.989 of the COVID time, 02:07:42.989 --> 02:07:44.179 I realized, oh, to 02:07:44.179 --> 02:07:44.979 me the only thing 02:07:44.979 --> 02:07:46.599 that matters are 02:07:46.799 --> 02:07:48.289 in- the individual, 02:07:48.439 --> 02:07:49.879 the, the- classical 02:07:50.799 --> 02:07:51.789 individual rights. 02:07:51.789 --> 02:07:52.789 Because we also- 02:07:52.829 --> 02:07:54.049 have social rights 02:07:54.070 --> 02:07:55.079 in the Constitution. 02:07:56.979 --> 02:07:58.709 And because as soon 02:07:58.709 --> 02:08:00.799 as you say that 02:08:00.839 --> 02:08:01.689 you need to achieve 02:08:01.709 --> 02:08:02.639 something else or a 02:08:02.639 --> 02:08:03.719 state of perfection, 02:08:03.739 --> 02:08:04.600 then you can start 02:08:04.600 --> 02:08:05.609 sacrificing people 02:08:05.619 --> 02:08:06.200 or liberties- 02:08:07.199 --> 02:08:07.819 Yep 02:08:08.319 --> 02:08:08.369 … or rights. 02:08:08.369 --> 02:08:08.429 Yep. 02:08:08.589 --> 02:08:10.000 But w- what is the 02:08:10.369 --> 02:08:11.669 what is that, that 02:08:11.669 --> 02:08:12.989 deeper philosophical 02:08:12.989 --> 02:08:14.139 reason that per- 02:08:14.179 --> 02:08:14.429 imperfection 02:08:14.849 --> 02:08:15.529 is so wrong? 02:08:16.929 --> 02:08:17.840 Because this is very 02:08:17.860 --> 02:08:19.189 practical outcome 02:08:19.469 --> 02:08:20.199 that I observe. 02:08:20.719 --> 02:08:21.349 The deepest 02:08:21.349 --> 02:08:22.719 philosophical reason 02:08:22.750 --> 02:08:24.230 is I would say 02:08:24.230 --> 02:08:24.829 it's not even a 02:08:24.829 --> 02:08:25.969 philosophical reason 02:08:26.290 --> 02:08:27.420 it's a theological 02:08:27.420 --> 02:08:28.779 reason, and that 02:08:28.779 --> 02:08:29.829 is we're fallen. 02:08:31.750 --> 02:08:32.389 We're fallen. 02:08:33.629 --> 02:08:34.809 And it, we need 02:08:34.820 --> 02:08:36.099 the help of God 02:08:36.399 --> 02:08:37.629 to achieve that 02:08:37.629 --> 02:08:39.439 holiness of 02:08:39.529 --> 02:08:41.849 incorruption that 02:08:41.869 --> 02:08:43.279 only God can give. 02:08:43.979 --> 02:08:44.719 And when I say 02:08:44.719 --> 02:08:45.619 incorruption, I'm 02:08:45.619 --> 02:08:46.539 meaning that both 02:08:46.570 --> 02:08:47.829 in a physical and 02:08:48.070 --> 02:08:49.880 in a moral sense, 02:08:50.289 --> 02:08:50.929 and the reason 02:08:50.929 --> 02:08:53.039 why is we all die. 02:08:54.919 --> 02:08:56.489 And the only 02:08:56.489 --> 02:08:57.499 solution for that, 02:08:57.519 --> 02:08:57.999 if you're gonna 02:08:58.039 --> 02:08:58.959 have communion with 02:08:58.969 --> 02:09:00.979 God and enter into 02:09:00.979 --> 02:09:01.779 that perfection, 02:09:01.809 --> 02:09:02.939 is we must be able 02:09:02.949 --> 02:09:03.839 therefore to live 02:09:03.879 --> 02:09:04.959 forever and defeat 02:09:04.979 --> 02:09:05.899 death, and we didn't 02:09:05.909 --> 02:09:08.140 do that, and none 02:09:08.140 --> 02:09:09.479 of us is capable 02:09:09.529 --> 02:09:10.309 of doing that. 02:09:10.540 --> 02:09:11.359 There's only one 02:09:11.379 --> 02:09:12.090 in the Christian 02:09:12.090 --> 02:09:13.549 faith who ever did. 02:09:14.389 --> 02:09:15.199 So in other words, 02:09:16.249 --> 02:09:16.259 perfectionism 02:09:17.549 --> 02:09:18.139 ultimately 02:09:18.139 --> 02:09:18.969 always says you 02:09:18.969 --> 02:09:20.039 don't need God. 02:09:22.607 --> 02:09:23.257 Always. 02:09:24.447 --> 02:09:24.947 Always. 02:09:25.147 --> 02:09:25.837 There was a big, 02:09:25.837 --> 02:09:29.617 huge debate in 02:09:29.617 --> 02:09:30.577 the history of early 02:09:30.577 --> 02:09:31.767 Christianity between 02:09:31.767 --> 02:09:33.037 St. Augustine and 02:09:33.277 --> 02:09:33.877 a fellow by the 02:09:33.877 --> 02:09:35.147 name of Pelagius. 02:09:36.017 --> 02:09:36.937 And while many 02:09:36.937 --> 02:09:37.627 of Augustine's 02:09:37.637 --> 02:09:38.347 formulations 02:09:38.357 --> 02:09:39.697 are, to me, very 02:09:39.697 --> 02:09:41.337 problematical he was 02:09:41.337 --> 02:09:42.407 not perfect either. 02:09:43.387 --> 02:09:44.257 But Pelagius 02:09:44.287 --> 02:09:45.027 basically said, 02:09:45.037 --> 02:09:45.927 "You don't inherit 02:09:45.957 --> 02:09:47.427 anything from Adam 02:09:47.427 --> 02:09:48.897 and Eve, and you are 02:09:48.917 --> 02:09:50.417 perfectible on your 02:09:50.417 --> 02:09:51.787 own." And what he's 02:09:51.787 --> 02:09:52.447 really saying is, 02:09:52.457 --> 02:09:53.377 "You don't need God. 02:09:53.377 --> 02:09:54.907 Just go do your 02:09:54.907 --> 02:09:55.867 thing and be good 02:09:56.287 --> 02:09:57.287 and keep trying 02:09:57.287 --> 02:09:58.487 and you'll achieve 02:09:58.487 --> 02:09:59.067 it all by y-…" 02:09:59.077 --> 02:09:59.347 No. 02:10:01.007 --> 02:10:02.227 Perfectionism always 02:10:02.227 --> 02:10:03.387 says that and always 02:10:03.387 --> 02:10:04.287 ends up doing just 02:10:04.287 --> 02:10:05.017 exactly what you 02:10:05.018 --> 02:10:05.647 said, killing a 02:10:05.647 --> 02:10:06.317 bunch of people 02:10:06.317 --> 02:10:07.367 to achieve a goal, 02:10:07.547 --> 02:10:08.947 which in this life 02:10:09.707 --> 02:10:10.697 and in this world 02:10:10.727 --> 02:10:11.888 is unrealizable. 02:10:13.857 --> 02:10:14.487 That's the other 02:10:14.487 --> 02:10:15.107 problem with it. 02:10:15.147 --> 02:10:16.367 Perfectionism is 02:10:16.767 --> 02:10:18.677 Marxist, Marxist 02:10:19.137 --> 02:10:19.867 doctrine being 02:10:19.867 --> 02:10:20.787 the most egregious 02:10:20.787 --> 02:10:21.667 example of it. 02:10:22.137 --> 02:10:23.647 It's literally killed 02:10:24.077 --> 02:10:25.317 over 100 million 02:10:25.317 --> 02:10:27.037 people in pursuit of 02:10:27.038 --> 02:10:28.337 a perfection that it 02:10:28.337 --> 02:10:29.557 can never achieve. 02:10:31.288 --> 02:10:31.657 This is the 02:10:31.657 --> 02:10:32.417 other problem. 02:10:32.727 --> 02:10:32.737 Perfectionism 02:10:35.187 --> 02:10:36.417 in the hands of the 02:10:36.417 --> 02:10:38.717 apparatchik of the 02:10:38.718 --> 02:10:40.118 technocrat, is always 02:10:40.118 --> 02:10:41.867 the means of not 02:10:41.867 --> 02:10:43.077 only obtaining power, 02:10:43.077 --> 02:10:44.067 but keeping it. 02:10:45.077 --> 02:10:46.817 Because they 02:10:46.817 --> 02:10:47.637 can always invent 02:10:47.637 --> 02:10:48.497 a new process. 02:10:48.497 --> 02:10:49.317 Now we've achieved 02:10:49.327 --> 02:10:50.087 that part of the 02:10:50.087 --> 02:10:50.877 phase, now we're 02:10:50.877 --> 02:10:51.837 into this part of the 02:10:51.837 --> 02:10:53.258 phase, and we need 02:10:53.258 --> 02:10:54.708 this in order… So 02:10:54.708 --> 02:10:55.437 in other words, it's 02:10:55.447 --> 02:10:56.467 part of the power 02:10:56.507 --> 02:10:58.837 play game too, this 02:10:58.837 --> 02:10:59.838 idea of perfection. 02:11:01.227 --> 02:11:02.367 It's what enables 02:11:02.377 --> 02:11:03.297 the politician 02:11:03.337 --> 02:11:04.457 to, to keep their 02:11:04.457 --> 02:11:06.107 power because it's, 02:11:06.127 --> 02:11:06.867 they know it's 02:11:06.867 --> 02:11:07.787 an unachievable 02:11:07.817 --> 02:11:08.717 goal, and that's 02:11:08.717 --> 02:11:09.347 what they want. 02:11:09.777 --> 02:11:10.337 As long as the goal's 02:11:10.337 --> 02:11:11.627 unachievable and 02:11:11.627 --> 02:11:12.537 we keep doing the 02:11:12.538 --> 02:11:13.477 process stuff, you 02:11:13.477 --> 02:11:14.477 keep us in power. 02:11:19.178 --> 02:11:19.948 But the other 02:11:19.948 --> 02:11:21.588 view is, no, it's 02:11:21.588 --> 02:11:22.327 not achievable 02:11:22.327 --> 02:11:23.247 in this life, and 02:11:23.247 --> 02:11:24.877 therefore, this is 02:11:24.877 --> 02:11:25.747 a key component, 02:11:26.707 --> 02:11:29.737 you maximize the 02:11:29.747 --> 02:11:31.617 cultural and social 02:11:31.637 --> 02:11:32.717 institutions, 02:11:32.717 --> 02:11:33.328 I, and I would 02:11:33.328 --> 02:11:34.398 say the academic 02:11:34.607 --> 02:11:36.007 and spiritual 02:11:36.027 --> 02:11:37.227 institutions as well. 02:11:37.228 --> 02:11:38.747 You maximize those 02:11:38.777 --> 02:11:40.427 institutions to 02:11:40.428 --> 02:11:42.178 produce the widest 02:11:42.267 --> 02:11:46.457 possible ability of 02:11:46.487 --> 02:11:48.257 people to function 02:11:48.267 --> 02:11:48.967 within those 02:11:48.987 --> 02:11:50.618 institutions in a 02:11:50.648 --> 02:11:52.007 creative, productive 02:11:52.417 --> 02:11:54.088 and good fashion. 02:11:54.497 --> 02:11:55.507 In other words you 02:11:55.527 --> 02:11:57.757 minimize their 02:11:57.758 --> 02:12:00.727 footprint- in the 02:12:00.727 --> 02:12:02.747 social life as 02:12:02.747 --> 02:12:03.717 much as you can. 02:12:04.887 --> 02:12:05.347 It's when 02:12:05.347 --> 02:12:05.937 that happens. 02:12:05.937 --> 02:12:06.657 Look what happens 02:12:06.687 --> 02:12:07.427 every time an 02:12:07.427 --> 02:12:08.097 institution, let's 02:12:08.097 --> 02:12:09.337 say an institution 02:12:09.337 --> 02:12:10.107 like the church, 02:12:10.467 --> 02:12:11.657 tries to maximize 02:12:11.667 --> 02:12:12.737 its footprint in 02:12:12.737 --> 02:12:13.717 an individual life. 02:12:13.837 --> 02:12:15.607 They lose their 02:12:15.607 --> 02:12:16.417 ability to 02:12:16.427 --> 02:12:17.557 influence that life. 02:12:18.827 --> 02:12:19.137 Yes. 02:12:20.267 --> 02:12:21.027 And it's the same 02:12:21.027 --> 02:12:22.177 with governments, 02:12:22.247 --> 02:12:23.737 it's the same with 02:12:23.767 --> 02:12:25.347 academics and so on. 02:12:26.087 --> 02:12:27.507 So you try to 02:12:27.507 --> 02:12:28.867 create a situation 02:12:28.867 --> 02:12:29.867 culturally where 02:12:29.867 --> 02:12:31.187 people are involved 02:12:31.187 --> 02:12:32.167 and engaged in 02:12:32.167 --> 02:12:34.197 those processes, and 02:12:34.197 --> 02:12:35.617 rather than those 02:12:35.618 --> 02:12:36.827 institutions marching 02:12:36.847 --> 02:12:38.407 out to get those 02:12:38.417 --> 02:12:39.347 people, the people 02:12:39.357 --> 02:12:40.437 come marching to 02:12:40.438 --> 02:12:41.688 those institutions. 02:12:42.177 --> 02:12:43.217 "We wanna know about 02:12:43.217 --> 02:12:43.977 this, we want the 02:12:43.977 --> 02:12:44.797 answer for that," 02:12:44.797 --> 02:12:45.558 blah, blah, blah. 02:12:46.077 --> 02:12:47.277 So again it's… 02:12:47.397 --> 02:12:47.917 Again, we're 02:12:47.917 --> 02:12:48.407 back to KOR. 02:12:49.907 --> 02:12:50.627 We're back to that 02:12:50.637 --> 02:12:51.887 whole idea that 02:12:51.897 --> 02:12:52.837 the message has 02:12:52.837 --> 02:12:53.867 to be intended 02:12:54.497 --> 02:12:56.327 for the addressee, 02:12:56.327 --> 02:12:57.217 for the audience. 02:12:57.267 --> 02:12:57.737 Not for the 02:12:57.737 --> 02:12:58.557 government, not 02:12:58.557 --> 02:12:59.507 for the church, not 02:12:59.507 --> 02:13:00.507 for the academy. 02:13:00.997 --> 02:13:01.697 You're intending 02:13:01.697 --> 02:13:02.327 the message 02:13:02.347 --> 02:13:03.267 for the people. 02:13:04.637 --> 02:13:05.217 And we need 02:13:05.217 --> 02:13:05.858 to do that. 02:13:06.158 --> 02:13:06.448 Yep. 02:13:07.257 --> 02:13:07.967 Absolutely. 02:13:08.978 --> 02:13:09.937 Absolutely we do. 02:13:11.147 --> 02:13:11.847 Absolutely. 02:13:13.088 --> 02:13:13.918 And it has to be 02:13:13.918 --> 02:13:15.367 done in a sincere 02:13:15.368 --> 02:13:17.177 way that people 02:13:17.177 --> 02:13:18.618 are the… People 02:13:18.618 --> 02:13:20.267 can people can 02:13:20.287 --> 02:13:22.397 spot inauthenticity 02:13:22.438 --> 02:13:23.437 a mile away. 02:13:24.207 --> 02:13:24.267 Yes. 02:13:25.658 --> 02:13:27.077 It it's like 02:13:27.077 --> 02:13:28.017 it has an odor 02:13:28.027 --> 02:13:28.867 all of its own. 02:13:29.787 --> 02:13:32.407 And the… If 02:13:32.407 --> 02:13:32.677 you're inauthentic, 02:13:34.767 --> 02:13:35.277 people will 02:13:35.277 --> 02:13:35.877 stay away. 02:13:35.887 --> 02:13:36.607 It has to be 02:13:36.627 --> 02:13:37.987 an authentic 02:13:38.137 --> 02:13:39.697 representation of 02:13:39.717 --> 02:13:40.937 cultural tradition 02:13:41.798 --> 02:13:42.747 in all of its 02:13:42.747 --> 02:13:43.617 depth and breadth. 02:13:43.887 --> 02:13:44.787 If it is not 02:13:44.807 --> 02:13:46.387 authentic, then 02:13:46.387 --> 02:13:47.287 people will be able 02:13:47.287 --> 02:13:48.347 to spot the fraud 02:13:48.368 --> 02:13:49.138 and they are going 02:13:49.157 --> 02:13:50.497 to stay away from it. 02:13:52.407 --> 02:13:52.947 They're not gonna 02:13:52.957 --> 02:13:54.127 go anywhere near it. 02:13:55.217 --> 02:13:56.217 And that's the 02:13:56.257 --> 02:13:56.927 other big part 02:13:56.927 --> 02:13:57.377 of the problem. 02:13:57.377 --> 02:13:58.137 This is why I say 02:13:58.177 --> 02:13:58.797 people have to 02:13:58.797 --> 02:14:00.277 become autodidacts, 02:14:00.607 --> 02:14:01.347 they have to teach 02:14:01.347 --> 02:14:03.498 themselves and ground 02:14:03.498 --> 02:14:04.187 themselves to the 02:14:04.188 --> 02:14:05.457 extent that they can 02:14:05.497 --> 02:14:06.327 in all these things. 02:14:06.337 --> 02:14:07.678 That's what's 02:14:07.887 --> 02:14:08.597 producing the 02:14:08.617 --> 02:14:09.657 authenticity. 02:14:10.777 --> 02:14:12.008 That's why so many 02:14:12.027 --> 02:14:14.127 institutions that we 02:14:14.128 --> 02:14:15.107 would now consider 02:14:15.107 --> 02:14:15.838 to be traditional 02:14:15.848 --> 02:14:17.388 are losing followers. 02:14:17.397 --> 02:14:18.167 It's because they've 02:14:18.167 --> 02:14:19.218 become authentic, 02:14:19.598 --> 02:14:19.797 the inauthentic. 02:14:20.497 --> 02:14:21.197 They've become 02:14:21.247 --> 02:14:22.467 populated by people 02:14:22.467 --> 02:14:23.728 who no longer believe 02:14:23.728 --> 02:14:24.658 nor adhere to it, 02:14:25.457 --> 02:14:26.448 and are simply going 02:14:26.448 --> 02:14:27.487 through the motions. 02:14:29.447 --> 02:14:29.897 Oh, we see 02:14:29.897 --> 02:14:30.648 that here, too. 02:14:30.957 --> 02:14:31.418 Oh, yeah. 02:14:31.707 --> 02:14:32.497 I know you do. 02:14:33.217 --> 02:14:34.018 I know you do. 02:14:35.238 --> 02:14:36.387 We see it everywhere 02:14:36.387 --> 02:14:37.227 in the West. 02:14:38.997 --> 02:14:40.098 Surprisingly, the 02:14:40.098 --> 02:14:41.498 one country in 02:14:41.498 --> 02:14:42.957 Western civilization 02:14:42.967 --> 02:14:44.667 that is the most 02:14:44.667 --> 02:14:45.657 authentic is who? 02:14:47.847 --> 02:14:48.227 Poland. 02:14:48.957 --> 02:14:49.177 Hungary Well, 02:14:49.217 --> 02:14:50.097 Poland definitely 02:14:50.097 --> 02:14:50.677 one of them. 02:14:50.987 --> 02:14:51.557 But I would say 02:14:51.557 --> 02:14:52.347 another one that we 02:14:52.347 --> 02:14:53.187 would not expect, 02:14:53.197 --> 02:14:54.057 and that's Russia. 02:14:55.027 --> 02:14:55.517 Ah, yeah. 02:14:55.897 --> 02:14:56.237 True. 02:14:56.487 --> 02:14:56.937 Why? 02:14:57.787 --> 02:14:58.157 Why? 02:14:59.827 --> 02:15:01.347 Why is Russia now 02:15:01.387 --> 02:15:02.577 more authentic than 02:15:02.587 --> 02:15:03.307 it was under the 02:15:03.307 --> 02:15:04.508 Soviet Union, in 02:15:04.508 --> 02:15:05.357 spite of the fact 02:15:05.357 --> 02:15:06.317 that Western media 02:15:06.317 --> 02:15:07.177 is trying to paint 02:15:07.177 --> 02:15:08.607 it as still being 02:15:08.607 --> 02:15:10.987 something it's 02:15:10.987 --> 02:15:13.197 still this Stalinist 02:15:13.307 --> 02:15:15.787 state that's gonna 02:15:15.787 --> 02:15:17.107 invade Western Europe 02:15:17.137 --> 02:15:18.367 any minute now. 02:15:20.298 --> 02:15:21.247 What's interesting, 02:15:21.247 --> 02:15:22.417 when I was in high 02:15:22.467 --> 02:15:23.968 school, I had a 02:15:23.968 --> 02:15:24.607 friend who was 02:15:24.607 --> 02:15:25.357 from Russia, and 02:15:25.357 --> 02:15:26.127 she moved there 02:15:26.138 --> 02:15:27.527 after the Soviet 02:15:27.527 --> 02:15:28.237 Union collapsed. 02:15:28.477 --> 02:15:29.847 And I really noticed 02:15:30.367 --> 02:15:31.537 that because y- you 02:15:31.537 --> 02:15:32.387 always heard about 02:15:32.387 --> 02:15:33.387 the iron culture 02:15:33.387 --> 02:15:34.207 and it was so bad 02:15:34.237 --> 02:15:35.987 there, but she knew 02:15:36.127 --> 02:15:37.337 poetry by heart. 02:15:37.837 --> 02:15:38.067 Yes. 02:15:38.087 --> 02:15:39.477 And her mother played 02:15:39.477 --> 02:15:40.557 classical music. 02:15:40.567 --> 02:15:40.597 Yes. 02:15:40.607 --> 02:15:41.837 And she knew all 02:15:41.837 --> 02:15:42.657 these things that 02:15:42.687 --> 02:15:44.537 I had never, ever 02:15:45.317 --> 02:15:47.937 learned- In my… 02:15:49.047 --> 02:15:50.037 Yeah, she grew up 02:15:50.037 --> 02:15:51.147 in the Soviet Union, 02:15:51.147 --> 02:15:51.947 and she was so much 02:15:51.967 --> 02:15:52.947 better educated. 02:15:53.047 --> 02:15:53.067 Yeah. 02:15:53.667 --> 02:15:54.478 And I think of 02:15:54.967 --> 02:15:56.027 Stephen Cohen, 02:15:56.197 --> 02:15:57.317 he, Yes … is a 02:15:57.587 --> 02:15:58.558 Russian scholar. 02:15:58.917 --> 02:15:59.177 Yes. 02:15:59.227 --> 02:16:01.237 And he said, " I 02:16:01.267 --> 02:16:02.258 sometimes miss the 02:16:02.258 --> 02:16:03.848 Soviet era because 02:16:03.848 --> 02:16:04.977 we were al- everyone 02:16:04.977 --> 02:16:06.957 was poor, but we were 02:16:06.958 --> 02:16:08.047 always spending time 02:16:08.047 --> 02:16:09.017 at people's homes, 02:16:09.047 --> 02:16:09.897 and we were drinking 02:16:10.068 --> 02:16:10.977 vodka and talking." 02:16:11.357 --> 02:16:11.637 Yes. 02:16:11.647 --> 02:16:12.507 So talking about the 02:16:12.507 --> 02:16:13.457 discussion clubs. 02:16:13.877 --> 02:16:14.837 Yes, exactly. 02:16:14.987 --> 02:16:15.587 Exactly. 02:16:15.607 --> 02:16:15.867 And he said 02:16:16.248 --> 02:16:17.167 afterwards it was 02:16:17.708 --> 02:16:19.277 so focused on money 02:16:19.277 --> 02:16:20.417 and making money- 02:16:20.517 --> 02:16:20.847 Yes 02:16:20.888 --> 02:16:21.767 … and everyone 02:16:21.767 --> 02:16:22.857 k- forgot that. 02:16:22.867 --> 02:16:24.047 But that it, it seems 02:16:24.047 --> 02:16:25.187 as if they overcome, 02:16:25.267 --> 02:16:26.047 come that very 02:16:26.077 --> 02:16:27.037 quickly actually. 02:16:27.638 --> 02:16:29.308 I think, I, Russia 02:16:29.737 --> 02:16:30.567 Russia intrigues 02:16:30.568 --> 02:16:31.428 me because I think 02:16:31.428 --> 02:16:31.927 you're dealing 02:16:31.927 --> 02:16:32.527 with the first 02:16:32.527 --> 02:16:34.297 post-postmodernist 02:16:34.307 --> 02:16:34.847 state. 02:16:36.587 --> 02:16:37.687 It's engaged in 02:16:37.687 --> 02:16:38.757 a civilizational 02:16:38.787 --> 02:16:39.527 experiment. 02:16:39.617 --> 02:16:40.677 It, it's trying to 02:16:40.677 --> 02:16:41.958 be a civilizational 02:16:41.967 --> 02:16:44.837 state, and we in the 02:16:44.837 --> 02:16:45.517 West, this is the 02:16:45.517 --> 02:16:46.697 other part of why 02:16:46.697 --> 02:16:48.357 it's, this period for 02:16:48.357 --> 02:16:49.917 us is so difficult. 02:16:50.557 --> 02:16:51.667 It's less difficult 02:16:51.708 --> 02:16:52.687 for Eastern Europe, 02:16:53.557 --> 02:16:54.337 for Poland, for 02:16:54.337 --> 02:16:55.887 Hungary, Romania, 02:16:55.967 --> 02:16:56.477 and so on. 02:16:57.837 --> 02:16:58.847 It's more difficult 02:16:58.847 --> 02:17:01.317 for us because 02:17:01.627 --> 02:17:02.737 we're still in that 02:17:02.747 --> 02:17:03.997 transitional period. 02:17:05.227 --> 02:17:06.117 We're entering it. 02:17:06.247 --> 02:17:06.887 They're coming 02:17:06.887 --> 02:17:07.347 out of it. 02:17:08.947 --> 02:17:10.248 So the eastern part 02:17:10.248 --> 02:17:11.207 of Europe may end 02:17:11.208 --> 02:17:12.427 up dragging the rest 02:17:12.428 --> 02:17:14.507 of it back into 02:17:14.508 --> 02:17:15.617 some sort of sense. 02:17:16.608 --> 02:17:17.457 I don't know. 02:17:17.538 --> 02:17:17.938 But 02:17:20.508 --> 02:17:21.628 I look at how quickly 02:17:21.628 --> 02:17:22.477 the United Kingdom 02:17:22.477 --> 02:17:23.258 is falling apart. 02:17:23.678 --> 02:17:24.258 Our next-door 02:17:24.258 --> 02:17:25.367 neighbor up in Canada 02:17:25.367 --> 02:17:26.328 is falling apart. 02:17:26.367 --> 02:17:27.427 And, a- and 02:17:30.197 --> 02:17:31.457 I'm not optimistic, 02:17:31.458 --> 02:17:32.427 I have to be 02:17:32.428 --> 02:17:33.627 perfectly honest. 02:17:33.637 --> 02:17:35.597 But no I do 02:17:35.597 --> 02:17:37.857 think that it 02:17:37.857 --> 02:17:40.841 will change There 02:17:40.841 --> 02:17:42.311 are people like us 02:17:42.311 --> 02:17:43.481 having conversations 02:17:43.481 --> 02:17:44.561 like this all over 02:17:44.561 --> 02:17:45.671 the West right now. 02:17:46.941 --> 02:17:48.021 All we need to do 02:17:48.021 --> 02:17:49.021 at this point is the 02:17:49.021 --> 02:17:50.601 most difficult thing, 02:17:51.141 --> 02:17:52.311 and that is we need 02:17:52.321 --> 02:17:53.661 to find each other. 02:17:55.461 --> 02:17:55.921 Yes. 02:17:56.321 --> 02:17:56.811 And put our 02:17:56.811 --> 02:17:56.941 phones- So that 02:17:56.971 --> 02:17:58.901 we're so that 02:17:58.901 --> 02:17:59.661 we're not having 02:17:59.661 --> 02:18:01.201 to talk on screens. 02:18:01.721 --> 02:18:02.261 Yes. 02:18:02.321 --> 02:18:03.041 So that we can go 02:18:03.041 --> 02:18:04.031 to someone's house 02:18:04.461 --> 02:18:05.371 have a beer or a 02:18:05.371 --> 02:18:06.281 tea or whatever it 02:18:06.281 --> 02:18:06.851 is that we're gonna 02:18:06.851 --> 02:18:07.661 have, and sit and 02:18:07.721 --> 02:18:08.771 talk like this. 02:18:10.061 --> 02:18:12.481 Because that's 02:18:12.481 --> 02:18:13.331 where the awareness 02:18:13.331 --> 02:18:15.082 goes up and where 02:18:15.082 --> 02:18:16.021 the action really 02:18:16.021 --> 02:18:17.141 begins to germinate 02:18:20.175 --> 02:18:21.255 And that's a very big 02:18:21.655 --> 02:18:22.605 challenge because- 02:18:22.605 --> 02:18:23.075 It is … I have a 02:18:23.115 --> 02:18:24.155 very wide network, 02:18:24.155 --> 02:18:24.865 but they're really 02:18:24.875 --> 02:18:25.845 throughout the world. 02:18:26.065 --> 02:18:26.705 And Yeah, same 02:18:26.705 --> 02:18:26.945 here 02:18:28.415 --> 02:18:30.015 … E- and not everyone 02:18:30.015 --> 02:18:30.795 is in your streets. 02:18:31.905 --> 02:18:32.425 Definitely not. 02:18:33.585 --> 02:18:33.885 Yeah. 02:18:34.345 --> 02:18:35.275 The interesting thing 02:18:35.275 --> 02:18:37.185 is I have, I've 02:18:37.185 --> 02:18:37.845 noticed something 02:18:37.845 --> 02:18:38.845 happening more 02:18:38.845 --> 02:18:39.735 recently, and that 02:18:39.735 --> 02:18:42.395 is gradually that 02:18:42.395 --> 02:18:43.505 situa- I'm in 02:18:43.505 --> 02:18:44.395 exactly the same 02:18:44.395 --> 02:18:45.135 situation that you 02:18:45.135 --> 02:18:46.485 are, but gradually 02:18:46.485 --> 02:18:48.515 in recent times i- 02:18:48.585 --> 02:18:49.455 within the last 02:18:49.455 --> 02:18:50.315 year I would say, 02:18:50.675 --> 02:18:51.615 that is gradually 02:18:51.625 --> 02:18:52.495 changing for me. 02:18:52.516 --> 02:18:53.736 I'm meeting people 02:18:53.766 --> 02:18:57.205 in my area that are 02:18:57.555 --> 02:18:58.335 thinking the same 02:18:58.336 --> 02:18:59.395 thing, and that to 02:18:59.395 --> 02:19:02.095 me is very hopeful 02:19:02.095 --> 02:19:03.145 because it means that 02:19:03.145 --> 02:19:03.985 more and more people 02:19:03.996 --> 02:19:06.885 are seeing this mess 02:19:10.275 --> 02:19:11.485 and are realizing 02:19:12.015 --> 02:19:12.666 there's something 02:19:12.705 --> 02:19:14.615 really wrong, and 02:19:14.625 --> 02:19:15.315 I don't like the 02:19:15.315 --> 02:19:16.175 direction things 02:19:16.175 --> 02:19:18.865 are going, and we 02:19:18.865 --> 02:19:19.805 gotta do something. 02:19:20.615 --> 02:19:22.615 That's good actually. 02:19:22.695 --> 02:19:23.005 That's beautiful. 02:19:23.005 --> 02:19:23.455 That's very good. 02:19:23.705 --> 02:19:24.545 Yeah, it is. 02:19:25.746 --> 02:19:26.725 I wanted to ask one 02:19:26.725 --> 02:19:27.816 thing about Russia 02:19:27.835 --> 02:19:29.876 because I do see 02:19:30.305 --> 02:19:31.485 their civilizational 02:19:31.525 --> 02:19:32.385 efforts, but at 02:19:32.385 --> 02:19:33.466 the same time 02:19:33.505 --> 02:19:34.845 they, during COVID, 02:19:34.885 --> 02:19:35.885 they implemented 02:19:35.905 --> 02:19:37.295 these UN policies. 02:19:37.295 --> 02:19:37.525 Yeah. 02:19:37.525 --> 02:19:37.785 Yeah. 02:19:37.845 --> 02:19:38.885 And they're also on 02:19:38.885 --> 02:19:40.565 board with digital 02:19:40.565 --> 02:19:41.566 money and digital- 02:19:41.586 --> 02:19:42.826 Yep … ID and- 02:19:42.875 --> 02:19:43.175 Yep 02:19:43.225 --> 02:19:44.565 … so how do 02:19:44.565 --> 02:19:45.445 you see that? 02:19:45.475 --> 02:19:46.905 Because to me that's 02:19:46.915 --> 02:19:48.085 very contradictory. 02:19:48.485 --> 02:19:49.046 No, it is 02:19:49.046 --> 02:19:49.705 contradictory, 02:19:49.705 --> 02:19:50.305 and that's part 02:19:50.305 --> 02:19:51.025 of the problem. 02:19:51.055 --> 02:19:52.035 If you look at, if 02:19:52.036 --> 02:19:53.525 you look at Russia, 02:19:53.845 --> 02:19:55.385 the, there are 02:19:55.505 --> 02:19:57.095 two basic factions 02:19:57.095 --> 02:19:57.995 within Russia. 02:19:59.135 --> 02:20:00.365 And for want of a 02:20:00.365 --> 02:20:01.225 better expression, I 02:20:01.225 --> 02:20:02.296 call the one faction 02:20:02.885 --> 02:20:04.095 the Western camp 02:20:04.095 --> 02:20:04.916 with the digital 02:20:04.926 --> 02:20:06.035 money and the COVID 02:20:06.055 --> 02:20:07.145 vaccines and so on. 02:20:07.635 --> 02:20:08.765 I call that faction 02:20:08.765 --> 02:20:09.946 the Atlanticists. 02:20:11.295 --> 02:20:12.625 And then there's 02:20:13.795 --> 02:20:14.655 the Russian 02:20:14.665 --> 02:20:15.635 civilizational 02:20:15.655 --> 02:20:16.375 faction. 02:20:18.005 --> 02:20:19.005 Think of people like 02:20:19.005 --> 02:20:20.195 Alexander Dugin. 02:20:22.475 --> 02:20:23.425 The current head 02:20:23.755 --> 02:20:24.866 of the Russian 02:20:24.866 --> 02:20:26.215 General Staff. 02:20:27.935 --> 02:20:28.765 Their old Defense 02:20:28.765 --> 02:20:29.545 Minister Shoigu, 02:20:30.785 --> 02:20:31.695 people like that 02:20:32.125 --> 02:20:32.965 were in that 02:20:33.305 --> 02:20:35.385 Russia culture 02:20:35.395 --> 02:20:36.685 civilization camp. 02:20:37.765 --> 02:20:38.975 Interestingly enough 02:20:40.085 --> 02:20:41.125 you see these two 02:20:41.125 --> 02:20:42.245 factions really 02:20:42.246 --> 02:20:43.235 at work in one 02:20:43.235 --> 02:20:44.845 individual, and I 02:20:44.845 --> 02:20:45.956 know you'll recognize 02:20:45.956 --> 02:20:46.676 the name when I'm, 02:20:47.005 --> 02:20:48.595 when I say it, and 02:20:48.595 --> 02:20:49.545 that individual is 02:20:49.546 --> 02:20:52.155 Dmitry Medvedev. 02:20:53.695 --> 02:20:54.775 Medvedev was of 02:20:54.775 --> 02:20:55.756 course for a period 02:20:55.756 --> 02:20:57.755 of time President 02:20:57.775 --> 02:20:59.626 of Russia between 02:20:59.885 --> 02:21:01.085 two of Putin's terms. 02:21:02.265 --> 02:21:04.545 And Medvedev started 02:21:04.546 --> 02:21:07.385 out very definitely 02:21:07.405 --> 02:21:08.885 as an Atlanticist. 02:21:10.469 --> 02:21:11.819 And ever since the 02:21:11.819 --> 02:21:12.579 beginning of the 02:21:12.579 --> 02:21:14.999 Ukraine war, Medvedev 02:21:15.009 --> 02:21:17.079 has, it looks to me, 02:21:18.149 --> 02:21:20.759 moved way away from 02:21:20.759 --> 02:21:21.169 that Atlantisist 02:21:21.919 --> 02:21:24.369 camp into the kind 02:21:24.369 --> 02:21:26.729 of Dugin-esque Russia 02:21:26.739 --> 02:21:28.089 civilizational camp. 02:21:29.009 --> 02:21:30.189 And when you look 02:21:30.189 --> 02:21:31.039 at a figure like 02:21:33.339 --> 02:21:37.573 Peskov Or President 02:21:37.603 --> 02:21:38.993 Putin himself, 02:21:39.533 --> 02:21:40.423 what you're really 02:21:40.423 --> 02:21:41.313 looking at is you're 02:21:41.313 --> 02:21:43.933 looking at part of 02:21:43.933 --> 02:21:45.263 the old political 02:21:45.283 --> 02:21:47.333 nomenclature that's 02:21:47.343 --> 02:21:48.373 trying to balance 02:21:48.423 --> 02:21:50.753 both interests and 02:21:50.753 --> 02:21:51.933 keep them together. 02:21:53.583 --> 02:21:54.403 And I'm not trying 02:21:54.403 --> 02:21:55.283 to, I'm not trying to 02:21:55.283 --> 02:21:56.373 say bad things about 02:21:56.373 --> 02:21:56.993 President Putin. 02:21:57.603 --> 02:21:58.473 I don't think he's 02:21:58.473 --> 02:21:59.673 really identifiable 02:21:59.673 --> 02:22:00.263 with that old 02:22:00.263 --> 02:22:01.203 nomenclature 02:22:01.743 --> 02:22:02.893 very much at all. 02:22:04.333 --> 02:22:06.623 The way he handled 02:22:07.013 --> 02:22:07.503 the Russian 02:22:07.533 --> 02:22:10.184 oligarchs to me 02:22:10.184 --> 02:22:11.754 indicates he's far 02:22:11.754 --> 02:22:12.863 more in the Russian 02:22:12.873 --> 02:22:14.083 civilizational camp 02:22:14.083 --> 02:22:15.213 than he is in the 02:22:15.423 --> 02:22:16.373 Atlanticists camp. 02:22:16.793 --> 02:22:17.553 Although he has to 02:22:17.553 --> 02:22:18.523 keep, he has to keep 02:22:18.583 --> 02:22:19.983 one foot in that camp 02:22:20.623 --> 02:22:22.113 just- in order to 02:22:22.113 --> 02:22:22.783 keep an eye on it. 02:22:22.853 --> 02:22:23.413 So you've got 02:22:23.413 --> 02:22:24.293 this very careful 02:22:24.303 --> 02:22:25.203 balancing act 02:22:25.833 --> 02:22:27.083 going on in Russia. 02:22:30.163 --> 02:22:31.923 I tend to think given 02:22:31.923 --> 02:22:33.163 the way that, that 02:22:34.093 --> 02:22:35.493 the United States has 02:22:35.493 --> 02:22:36.883 behaved on the world 02:22:36.883 --> 02:22:40.893 stage since 9/11 and 02:22:41.473 --> 02:22:42.503 to be more blunt 02:22:43.713 --> 02:22:45.093 since the Obama 02:22:45.093 --> 02:22:46.103 administration and 02:22:46.103 --> 02:22:48.434 then Biden and Trump 02:22:50.353 --> 02:22:51.563 America's behavior 02:22:51.574 --> 02:22:52.543 on the world stage 02:22:52.563 --> 02:22:53.843 could not possibly… 02:22:54.043 --> 02:22:55.773 No, could not 02:22:55.773 --> 02:22:56.963 possibly be more 02:22:56.973 --> 02:22:58.653 brilliantly designed 02:22:59.223 --> 02:23:00.793 to drive away allies 02:23:00.864 --> 02:23:01.873 and friends than our 02:23:01.873 --> 02:23:02.793 behavior has been. 02:23:02.894 --> 02:23:03.524 So 02:23:05.813 --> 02:23:06.573 you know, we may 02:23:06.574 --> 02:23:07.964 end up with Monaco 02:23:07.964 --> 02:23:09.083 being our only 02:23:09.083 --> 02:23:10.353 ally left in the 02:23:10.813 --> 02:23:12.713 world by the time 02:23:12.713 --> 02:23:13.913 these people, these 02:23:13.943 --> 02:23:15.243 idiots in Washington 02:23:15.254 --> 02:23:16.054 get done with it. 02:23:18.504 --> 02:23:19.913 It's pretty bad. 02:23:20.713 --> 02:23:21.743 No, you go lay down. 02:23:22.343 --> 02:23:23.093 Go lay down. 02:23:23.733 --> 02:23:24.263 No. 02:23:25.673 --> 02:23:26.623 I have a pooch 02:23:26.703 --> 02:23:27.644 down here that's- 02:23:29.093 --> 02:23:29.773 She perhaps wants 02:23:29.773 --> 02:23:30.544 to go for a walk. 02:23:30.943 --> 02:23:31.723 She… Yes, that's 02:23:31.733 --> 02:23:32.073 what she was 02:23:32.074 --> 02:23:32.883 trying to tell me. 02:23:32.894 --> 02:23:32.914 Yeah. 02:23:34.333 --> 02:23:34.883 I actually 02:23:34.913 --> 02:23:36.043 think we've gone 02:23:36.063 --> 02:23:36.523 through all the 02:23:36.523 --> 02:23:37.723 questions and, 02:23:38.173 --> 02:23:38.503 Okay 02:23:38.973 --> 02:23:40.983 … I think it was very 02:23:40.993 --> 02:23:42.193 highly interesting, 02:23:42.873 --> 02:23:43.643 and I want to thank 02:23:43.644 --> 02:23:44.414 you very much. 02:23:44.444 --> 02:23:45.283 Is there anything 02:23:45.283 --> 02:23:46.063 that you think that 02:23:46.063 --> 02:23:46.633 you would like to 02:23:46.663 --> 02:23:47.863 add that I left out 02:23:47.864 --> 02:23:48.863 or that you think 02:23:48.864 --> 02:23:49.763 is important to add? 02:23:50.084 --> 02:23:50.864 If there's something 02:23:50.873 --> 02:23:52.463 that, that I needed 02:23:52.463 --> 02:23:53.503 to add or the people 02:23:53.513 --> 02:23:54.773 think of and start 02:23:54.773 --> 02:23:55.624 commenting about, we 02:23:55.624 --> 02:23:56.513 can always do another 02:23:56.513 --> 02:23:57.993 one of these as an 02:23:58.013 --> 02:23:59.323 update down the line. 02:23:59.334 --> 02:24:00.303 But no, I can't 02:24:00.304 --> 02:24:01.033 think of anything 02:24:01.033 --> 02:24:01.294 right now. 02:24:01.294 --> 02:24:02.033 Thank you for having 02:24:02.033 --> 02:24:03.864 me on by the way. 02:24:04.254 --> 02:24:05.663 Well, Dr. Farrell, 02:24:05.694 --> 02:24:06.773 thank you so much. 02:24:07.004 --> 02:24:07.453 Thank you. 02:24:08.394 --> 02:24:08.883 Good day. 02:24:09.303 --> 02:24:09.874 Yep, you too. 02:24:09.903 --> 02:24:10.103 Bye-bye.