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1. O here’s another thought? The atomic bomb a curse or a blessing? It got everyone thinking and talking about what is really important that is as you say Bert the “Humanity versus Planet” and/or “One World versus No World” dialectic.” What about crop circles though which I beleive Mr. Rockerfeller has taken a great interest in himself? Hmmmm what about that and of course these words from the bible…

   “See to it that you do not refuse Him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from Him who warns us from heaven? At that time His voice shook the earth, but now He has promised, ‘Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.’ The words ‘once more’ indicate the removing of what can be shaken -that is, created things-so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our God is a consuming fire.” {Hebrews 12:25-29}

   Unbelievable a 600 foot jelly fish!! A 600 FOOT JELLY FISH!!!!!

2. Jerry, there is no doubt in my mind that God will step-in and correct things if humanity fails to do so itself.

   I have not been able to find proof of this, but I was told the story that during WWII some German soldiers were trained for firing squad duty in order to shoot Jewish prisoners. Even though the soldiers were psychologically conditioned for this duty, they would frequently find that their “trigger fingers” started “sticking” after about 1-week of this duty. Hence, they could not continue to shoot the Jewish prisoners. This happened so frequently that the Germans were forced to “solve” the problem, and this is why the Gas chambers were eventually built at the various Jewish labor camps. I’ve always felt that this was God’s hand, as there was no scientific or other explanation for the “syndrome” (What some call the “Ghost in the Machine”).

   Richard, you are quite correct in your assessment. I find it incredulous that so many fail to see that our problems are consistently manufactured by those who seek to benefit from their outcome. There is much talk in military strategy circles now about the concept of 4th Generational Warfare (4GW), which is really just non-state actors perpetrating acts against others (i.e. ‘terrorism’). Why is it so many swallow that the so-called terrorist acts that we are witnessing all over the globe are perpetrated by poor individuals from Islam, when it is the elite, and their desire to destroy the state, who have the most to gain?

3. Bert

   Indeed it does Bert! The experts or rather so called experts are not gods. For them its always a kind of trial and error so to speak and as I reflect over our technological innovations i often wonder what someone like Rothschilds would have done during Napoleons wars if there existed the nuclear option? It’s one thing for nations to kill each other using sticks and stones or bows and arrows or machine guns and tanks! It’s quite another to see entire nations going up in smoke. No one is safe get it? As for Paul Warburg he must have been lying awake in stark horror of what he knew and understood of the banking mess and crisis of his years. Do you know that he was horrified of the treaty of Versallies and not only him but significantly more important John Maynard Keynes who Sherdan sums up quite eloquently this way…

   “After serving as an official representative to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 during which the terms of settlement for World War 1 were set, Keynes came away shocked at the vengeful and shortsighted nature of the settlement. In his book The Economic Consequences of the Peace, Keynes warned of the dangers that would arise from the fact that “the Treaty includes no provision for the economic rehabilitation of Europe-nothing to make the defeated Central Empires into good neighbors.” He correctly predicted that a combination of starvation and hyperinflation inflicted on Germany would ultimately lead to social upheaval throughout Europe: “Men will not always die quietly…In their distress [they] may overturn the remnants of organization, and submerge civilization itself.” This is precisely what happened to Germany under the burden of paying war reparations and continuing to suffer the effects of its destroyed economy. Although he anticipated the potential for a dictator to emerge from such a desperate situation, Keynes, unlike more recent futurists, made no hard and fast predictions of what would happen, instead questioning, “But who can say… in what direction men will seek at last to escape their misfortunes.” {pg. 213 Sherden}

   What foresight!

   Moreover folks this idea that the U. S. Central Bank is the source of everyone’s nightmares seems to me rather misguided and why do I say this? Well consider the words of Chernow…

   “On January the 15th 1920, the appeal authored by Keynes and Paul Warburg and signed by many luminaries was issued to the press. Herbert Hoover, William Howard Taft, and J.P. Morgan Jr., cosigned the American version with Paul. They stated that burdensome reparations could foster revolution in Germany and Austria as popular revulsion against unjust debt bred an ugly desperate mood. The affected governments would print money to pacify the populace, generating inflation. This prescient document had no effect, as Hoover had warned Paul. Indeed the U.S. Treasury Department thought its dire predictions overblown and resented Paul’s involvement as possibly conveying an impression of official American favor. In April 1921, the Allies set the reparations tab at a stupendous 132 billion gold marks or 33 billion.” {pg. 223 Chernow}

   The U. S. Treasury?

   So imagine Keynes along with Paul Warburg a central banker tried to prevent WW2!!!!!

   Banks moreover never had the kind of technological advancements as before when they were literally drowning in paper. today though everything is simplified with the computer so Bert of course things are and will continue to be modified. Consider for a moment the whole peak oil crisis-no one back in the thiries or forties even considered it. Can you imagine Hitler running around talking and arguing with his advisors ooops we better do this thing quickly before the oil runs out? Things are changing so fast that it often saddens me how miserable and even angry these men behind the scenes are or are becoming. Look for heavens sakes we were never created to deal with such unbelievable and complex issues. I couldn’t begin to imagine having to live and work dealing with trying to control the world or as Orwell said Big Brother? {Rockerfeller wanting to abolish the internet}
   In Aaron Russo video Fascism to Freedom he makes a great point about the verichip and guess what in the eyes of the bankers what better or rather easier way is their to control the human species. Wow if this doesn’t bring up the words of Dostoevsky…

   “Why hast Thou come now to hinder us? … We are working not with Thee but with him {Satan}…We took from him what Thou didst reject with scorn, that last gift he offered Thee, showing you all the kingdoms of the earth. We took from him Rome and the sword of Caesar, and proclaimed ourselves sole rulers of the earth…We shall triumph and shall be Caesar’s, and then we shall plan the universal happiness of man…Hadst thou accepted that last counsel of the mighty spirit {Satan}, Thou wouldst have accomplished all that man seeks on earth- that is, someone to worship …Who can rule men if not he who holds their conscience and their bread in their hands?” {ibid pg 137-138}

   their conscience and their bread people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   Now does that sound familiar to what is happening.

   Wow we need a new and better dialectic and quickly and the only place I believe that is to be found is in the words of Christ Jesus!!! “DO NOT BE DECEIVED”

   Cheers

   Jerry Lesac

   O by the way I think our dear Catherine has got it right about attending a permaculture conference.
   I WANT TO LEARN HOW TO FARM AND QUICKLY!

4. @ Bert and @ Jerry: You both are hitting the nail on the head…the top down power structure (both behind the scenes and in front ) has seized such an inordinate amount of the wealth of the world that with their bringing about a singular creation by implimenting a NWO solution to all the global problems ( and since they perpetuated them in the first place) the few well placed elite will capture all the means of industrial production, transportation, energy and food production, medical care, intellectual and artistic creativity that has been distributed, though unevenly, throughout history into the hands of fewer and fewer corporations…IMHO leaving the vast majority of earth’s inhabitants in dire straits for generations to come. Clearly, the condition of Gaia is also in dire straits…carry on the conversation…much appreciated, Richard(theoldwiseman)

5. Also Jerry, you raise an excellent point when you say:

   “Okay so there version of climate change then has replaced the previous dialectic of Hiroshima and Nagaski?”

   It seems to me that the “Nuclear destruction” (destroyed world vs. acquiescence to elite will) & the “Cold War” (USSR vs USA) dialectics are being replaced with the “Humanity vs. The Planet” dialectic. But I’d also say that the “One World vs. No World dialectic” is still in place, however, the techniques by which this “No World” option will eventuate have been modified.

   Does this make sense? I look forward to others thoughts, as I’m simply thinking this through as I type.

6. Jerry, you’re one sharp dude or dudette 🙂

   I’m going to save these…. some I have, but others I do not. This is a great collection. May I add another?

   “One World or None, A Report to the Public on the Full Meaning of the Atomic Bomb”
   Federation of American Scientists (including Einstein, Oppenheimer, et. al.)
   Published in 1946, just months after atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
   http://www.amazon.com/One-World-None-Report-Meaning/dp/1595582274

   It is my opinion that the atomic bombs were dropped primarily to establish the dialectic articulated in this report.

   Perhaps it is time for humanity to define the dialectics that we live by.

   I hope people here are reading this and taking this in. This is incredibly important.

7. Dear Bert

   You know i just had another thought too and that is maybe the CoR people and their emphasis on climate change has something to do with the cold war and all of the nuclear testing that was going on. Take as an example the Russian nuclear blast of October 23/1961 and how the shock wave was reported to have encircled the earth some three times. The scientists must have been sweating bullitts which led to the emphasis that it could damage or was damaging the atmosphere and that moreover was why such testing was moved below ground. Remember M.A.D. Even moving it below ground though wasn’t of much help given the earthquakes that accompanied such events and even of mountain tops {volcanoes} blowing their lids off. Look it can’t be a coincidence that is what we are now seeing after the North Korean testing! So everything is not a conspiracy but apparently some may be of the opinion that is exactly what is needed and what is the word we are hearing? CONTROL!
   Whatever the case though my bent is not on the scientific reasons for climate change but on the biblical and you know maybe what Rome and its clubs need is what you fear and that is a climate that never changes hence the words…

   “When I shoot at you with my deadly and destructive arrows of famine, I will shoot to destroy you. I will bring more and more famine upon you and cut off your supply of food. I will send famine and wild beasts against you, and they will leave you childless. Plague and bloodshed will sweep through you, and I will bring the sword against you. I the Lord have spoken.” {Ezekiel 5:16}

   “I also withheld rain from you when the harvest was still three months away. I sent rain on one town, but withheld it from another. One field had rain; another had none and dried up. People staggered from town to town for water but did not get enough to drink, yet you have not returned to me, declares the Lord.
   Many times I struck your gardens and vineyards, I struck them with blight and mildew. Locusts devoured your fig and olive trees, yet you have not returned to me, declares the Lord.
   I sent plagues among you as I did to Egypt. I killed your young men with the sword, along with your captured horses. I filled his nostrils with the stench of your camps, yet you have not returned to me, declares the Lord.
   I overthrew some of you as I overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. You were like a burning stick snatched from the fire, yet you have not returned to me, declares the Lord. {Amos 4: 7-11}

   “The word of the Lord came to me, Son of man, if a country sins against me by being unfaithful and I stretch out my hand against it to cut off its food supply and send famine upon it and kill its men and their animals, even if these three men Noah, Daniel and Job were in it, they could save only themselves by their righteousness, declares the Sovereign Lord.” {Ezekiel 14: 12-14}

   Now if these don’t suffice well then maybe the scientific would…

   “In the Middle East, a ~200 year drought forced the abandonment of agricultural settlements in the Levant and northern Mesopotamia. The subsequent return to moister conditions in Mesopotamia promoted settlement of the Tigris-Euphrates alluvial plain and delta, where breachable river levees and seasonal basins may have encouraged early Mesopotamia irrigation agriculture. By 3500 B.C. urban Late Urak society flourished in southern Mesopotamia, sustained by a system of high yield cereal irrigation agriculture with efficient canal transport. Late Urak “colony” settlements were founded across the dry-farming portions of the Near East. But these colonies and the expansion of Late Urak society collapsed suddenly at about 3200 to 3500 B.C. Archaeologists have puzzled over this collapse for the past 30 years. Now there are hints in the paleoclimatic record that it may be related to a short {less than 200 year} but severe drought.” {pg. 610 Science}

   Cheers

   Jerry

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