Catherine Austin Fitts,
thank you for doing this,
Tucker.
Thank you for doing this.
The first time we did an interview
over a year ago, different worlds.
Completely, and I remember thinking,
wow, I, I’ve rarely spoken to
anyone who thinks in such big terms.
I mean that as a compliment.
I wonder if this is all true.
I think time has proven you right.
We’ve had a couple of meals in the
subsequent months and so I’m just, I
just wanna say I think you’re really
wise and I’m grateful to have you,
so I want you to know it was
only 10 months ago, but it
seems like, is that true?
Long time,
man.
Time is flying.
Yeah.
I meet people in airports all the time
who are like, I used to think I was
a conspiracy theorist, but now I know
I was but it’s a variety of that.
But last time we had lunch a couple months
ago, you were telling me about, and I
wish we had this on tape, maybe we can
recreate it here, about the control grid.
A concept that you had explained when we
last did an interview and how it was, as
you said, it launched snapping into place.
Can you just, for people who
haven’t seen your previous talk,
explain what the control grid is?
What it looks like and what it means.
So the control grid is a process or a,
an infrastructure that allows digital
technology to be used to assert phenomenal
surveillance and control of people.
Yeah.
And at the very heart of it is
what I call programmable money.
So it’s money that is no
longer just a currency.
It’s money that comes with a set of rules
that can be surveilled and enforced.
So imagine back in the pandemic if
your money, if I said, okay, you’ve got
a lockdown and your money won’t work.
If you leave your house.
You can’t buy gas and your car
because your money is programmed
with AI and software to enforce
a whole set of centralized rules.
And programmable money allows the
bankers who’ve been running monetary
policy to now control fiscal policy
and essentially replace legislatures
and executive branch by making and
enforcing the rules through the money.
Now that requires a large infrastructure.
Surveillance.
So you need digital IDs and then you need
the hardware locally and globally to
do the surveillance and implementation.
So for example, if you look at the
local hardware and now people are seeing
it now that it’s material, they’re
beginning to see it snap into place.
So I don’t know if flock cameras, but
there are many communities across the
United States that are entering into
contracts paid by the taxpayers to put up
cameras all around their neighborhood that
track license plates and keep that data
and share it with a variety of people.
Or you have the FCC is trying to
overrule local controls on cell towers.
So they can literally put cell
towers every 400 to 700 feet so
that they can have the kind of
invasive surveillance you need.
Or you have satellites now that
can literally beam in wifi so that
whether you have wifi in your home
or not, they can start to track you.
And all those systems come put
you in what I call the panopticon.
So we saw in the Middle East with the
first war with Iran, we saw 11 leaders out
of 12 sort of top leaders in science and
government assassinated because they’re
literally tracking everyone and they can
identify them and track them, and then you
have invisible weaponry that can then take
them out or can identify missile strikes.
So
may I ask you, so you’re talking about the
12 day war against Iran in June of 2025.
Correct.
We were led to believe just as
newspaper readers or news consumers,
that those 11 Iranian officials were
targeted with human intelligence.
That Israel had spies inside of Iran.
But you’re saying that was done digitally?
That’s probably, I would assume
that’s probably true because you
always wanna get human confirmation
of what the systems are telling you.
It’s always better if you have both.
But but we are now moving into.
Building out the kind of surveillance
systems that can literally track,
identify, and integrate with not
only our existing weaponry, but
ultimately autonomous weaponry.
So anyway, so let me step back.
You’ve got three parts
to the control grid.
One is the local hardware and
infrastructure, and that includes
the data centers because if you, the
data I thought those were for ai,
they are, because if you look at what it
takes to apply the equivalent of a social
credit system to people’s money, so the
social credit system I apply to you is
different than the one I apply to me.
And if you look at the data, I need
to track you and test whether or
not you’re following the rules I’ve
given you and enforce those rules.
It’s an explosive amount of
data, particularly because you’re
looking not just at financial
control, but spatial control.
So what is AI good at?
Tucker AI is very the
spatial control movement.
Yeah, so turn off the car.
So Congressman Massey is trying to
kill the kill switch in your car.
That’s because spatial control means I
can turn off your car or I can set it
so your money won’t work more than a
mile from your home or a 15 minute city.
So you literally, you’re not allowed
to leave your 15 minute city and
your transportation and your money
won’t work outside of that area.
So let me step back.
So what is AI good at?
AI is very good at tracking things
that can be expressed mathematically,
and financial transactions and spatial
movement can be expressed mathematically.
And so what the AI centers are for
primarily is to build that digital
control grant and to manage that data.
And now it can be used for
many other purposes too.
So it’s not just gonna
be used for control.
But to me that’s the primary purpose.
And that if you look at the cameras,
if you look at the cell towers, if you
look at the satellites, and then the
ai, the data centers, those are all
component pieces of the local hardware.
So there are three sort
of pillars that I track.
One is the programmable money, and that’s
what we at solar are trying to stop.
The second is the digital id because
you need a global, you need digital
ID systems that are interoperable
globally and then the local hardware.
And those are the three pillars.
And what’s interesting is there’s
phenomenal development of all three.
We have a commentary at Solari
where we track, it’s called the fast
approaching digital control grid.
And every week we update all
the things that’re being done to
build those three pillars and have
them integrate with each other.
And ever since the inauguration,
it’s been moving very quickly.
Now it’s both sides of the uniparty.
They come at it in different ways and
they do different things but this is.
Ultimately what this is doing is this
is going to a point where the central
bankers, whether they do it with a
central bank, digital currency or
private stable coins and asset tokens
are setting the world up so that they
can control your financial transactions
literally in real time with the
equivalent of a social credit system.
I have so many questions.
What I’ve probably been in six or
seven, eight countries in the last
month, and I think in every single
country I had biometrics take in,
right?
Either fingerprint or facial recognition,
right?
What role do biometrics
play in the control grid?
That’s part of the digital ID system.
And that facilitates the surveillance.
And it’s interesting.
So we do a lot to promote cash
because I think there are many
things we can do to slow down or
stop the digital control system.
But one of it is in by embracing analog
and keeping analog analog alive,
because to go to a really serious
programmable money, you need you
need an all digital financial system.
So we do a lot with cash, but people
will tell you if you go to Walmart, you
leave your phone in the car and you use
cash, you come out having made a purchase
and the next thing the next day on your
phone, you get a text from the company
of the product you bought at Walmart.
So they were able to identify you.
It’s because of the biometrics.
They have your facial recognition.
I had a crazy experience with cash.
I thought of you right before Christmas.
I wanted to pay employees a bonus
in cash, which you always do.
And so I asked my wife to go to the bank.
She did Wells Fargo branch,
not far from her house.
Wanna take out this amount.
Pretty large amount, but not crazy, right?
And they said, no, we
can’t give you the money.
And why?
Because we think that you are
being scammed, that there’s
probably someone outside with a gun
demanding that you withdraw cash.
And she’s what?
No.
So she called me anyway, I finally
went into the bank and got upset.
It wasn’t their fault.
They were being told, I think, by federal
regulators, uhhuh, not to gimme cash.
And I said, I thought the point
of a bank was to hold my money.
You loan it out, interest.
I get less interest from you.
So you make the money.
But my money’s safe.
But I get it when I want.
’cause I made it at my job.
And they’re like, we’re so sorry.
We’re so sorry.
But they wouldn’t gimme the cash.
Took two weeks to get the cash.
What is that?
So
It’s called nudging.
Do you know what nudging is?
No.
Oh, there’s all science of nuding.
So if you are the central bankers and
you wanna take cash down to zero, what
you do is you create lots of different
kinds of rules and regulations that.
Nudge people in that direction.
Okay?
So that’s one of the
things that’s happening.
Ah, and you use these things as an excuse.
Now there’s something else happening.
So that’s not my imagination.
That’s part of a strategy to
get Mina to use that part of
what was happening was Nuding.
Now if you look at the person who
implemented that, they’re getting a rule.
They’re just doing their job.
And one of the reasons they’re getting the
rule, and one of the things they use to
do the nudging with is you, if you look
at the amount of cyber crime and financial
fraud that’s happening, that is causing
people to go down and get cash, it’s real.
And the banks are losing a
great deal of money on it.
And it’s a serious problem, particularly
because if you look at the technology
used to using it to be implemented.
It’s I believe they’re
using neuro warfare.
So they get these people very
addicted online and they get them
doing sort of crazy financial things.
I was trying to wire, I
was in the Netherlands.
I was trying to wire 5,000 euros to
one of the people who works for me.
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A romance crime,
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But you would think that banks
beset by cybercrime would wanna
encourage the use of cash.
The banks are in a movement for
more and more central control.
Again, the financial system for
20 plus years has been steadily
moving in all different layers from
regulatory to these kinds of things.
From a world where the bankers
control monetary policy to a world
where they control fiscal policy.
And that’s all.
The nudging is all part
of moving you there?
Can you
explain the difference for
those of us who are not Yeah.
Economically
fluent?
Okay so since 1913, the United States
has have a governmental structure
where the Central Bank, the Federal
Reserve, which is the Board of
Governors in Washington, and the 12
central banks manage monetary policy.
So they basically working with the
banks run the financial transactions.
The New York Fed runs the
governmental accounts.
They control the government bank
accounts and their policies of Fed
funds, interest rate and money onto
the reserve tracks affects the money
supply and the and basically the
money supply and how the money works.
Okay?
So it’s more complicated than
that ’cause they have lots of
regulatory functions, but the people
vote for their representatives.
So whether it’s the State House
or the Congress, they vote for
elected representatives from
their jurisdiction in the area.
And those people decide fiscal policy,
which is what taxes do we collect,
what tariffs do we collect, what.
Bonds, do we sell and raise money?
And how does that money get spent?
So my representatives, your
representatives are determining a fiscal
policy and the bankers are determining
a monetary policy, and it’s a balance of
power between the people and the bankers.
Now, with the digital control grid and
programmable money, the bankers can
assert control of fiscal policy and they
can set, they, they can just decide what
the taxes are and take them out of your
account and they can essentially determine
the rules of how it all gets spent.
And so it’s a very it’s a financial that
over time they want to assert complete
control of fiscal and monetary policy.
And essentially the legislatures
will go to being show and
tell, or go out of business.
We’re moving quickly in that
direction where the legislatures
in every country are becoming.
Less powerful in many cases.
Irrelevant.
So here’s my theory though.
If you go back to nine 11, and when
Wesley Clark said, we’re gonna, we’re
gonna invade seven countries in five
years, what you were talking about were
the countries where those central banks
were not on board to do programmable
money and their governance structures
were not on board with essentially
because of Epstein, I’ll call it the
Rock Rockefeller Rothchild model.
There was an effort to say, okay, we’re
going to basically assert control of
the central banks in those countries.
That’s my interpretation.
And I think one of the reasons
we’re seeing so much tension around
Iran is because Iran right now
is the big leakage in the system.
How.
So
wait, it’s not about their nukes?
No.
Iran Central Bank counts.
One of the reasons it counts is
because their oil and energy is
very important, including for China.
Yeah.
And that’s very important
in the brick system.
What the brick system is trying to do is
to create independent payment systems.
But if you’re gonna come out with
programmable money, with digital
IDs that are interoperable globally
and programmable money that
controls in each jurisdiction
centrally, you can’t afford leakage.
And so you’ve got way too much
leakage in the system to proceed
with what they’re trying to do.
And Iran is, and the brick nations
are a sticking point, and certainly
Iran’s oil feeding China gives
China greater independence.
So you think that one of the motives
behind toppling all these governments was.
The creation of the control
grid we’re talking about now.
So if you go back, so you had the
wonderful Richard Warner on your show.
Yeah.
And Richard has a book called The
Princes of Theen, which is about
the sort of effort to over, to take
over the Japanese central bank.
And I think what you’re looking at, I
think part of the state of play with
both Russia and Iran is how are you
gonna make sure that those central
banks are entirely in the system?
So yeah, that was an amazing interview.
And he told the story about writing
this book on the Japanese Central Bank.
I can’t imagine a more obscure topic from
my non economically minded standpoint.
It’d be like writing a book on
postcards from the Falin Islands.
It’s just okay, a book on
the Japanese Central bank.
And he said actually they suppressed it.
I couldn’t get it published in the
United States, and you can’t get a copy.
And that’s like checkable.
So I checked it.
You can’t get a copy of that book.
It’s really hard.
You can, I think you can order
from his publisher right now.
Okay.
Right.
But that.
Like why would someone
try to suppress a book?
‘ cause it shows you the true, it takes you
right into the secret governance system
and it shows you the mech the primary
mechanism by which they implement policy.
Yeah.
It’s always the things you’re not allowed
to say are probably the important things.
Whenever they penalize you
for having a thought, you’re
probably on the right track.
It’s one of the critical train
tracks of control, so it’s
what I call the third rail.
So I used to finance transit
systems and train systems.
A lot of these systems have two tracks
that the wheels go on, and then they have
a third rail that the power line runs on.
Yes.
And you get a trend trap that flips over
and sucks the energy from the third rail.
So a lot of the things that really
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And for example, in central banking to
listen to talk about tier one and tier
two and tier three capital at the BIS and
the banks, there’s nothing more boring.
It’s designed to Absolutely.
I
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middle of that sentence.
Right,
exactly.
Exactly.
Is it boring by design?
You know it, the way you’re taught
to talk about it is boring by design.
And but the, it’s like the
mechanisms of the legal system.
If you look at the mechanisms of civil
procedure or criminal procedure, you know
it can, and you get into the weeds on it.
It can be very boring unless you
understand the application and
that can make it very interesting.
But the capital, most
people don’t understand the
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So back to programmable digital currency.
Of all the features that you’ve described
so far of the control grid, that’s the
one that has not been fully implemented.
Would that be fair to say?
So let me describe, yeah.
Is not at all, and it’s important to
be talking about this now because if,
imagine a tsunami approaching us, right?
There is a tsunami
approaching us right now.
If you look at the traditional financial
system, we’re talking about hundreds
of trillions of dollars, stocks,
bonds, global stocks and bonds market.
The crypto marketer or money is
issued on a distributed ledger.
It’s tiny, so maybe it’s $4
trillion compared to 250 trillion
counting stocks and bonds.
And then we have the currency
market, which is bigger.
So most people in the traditional
financial system look at the
distributed ledger system and
say it’s tiny, it’s tokens.
Last year we passed the Genius Act.
Have you heard of the Genius Act?
I have,
yeah.
Okay so people have been,
it was quite a bitter fight over it too.
There’s a, there was a bitter fight.
The big bitter fight right
now is over the CLARITY Act.
So the Genius Act created a
regulatory framework for stable coins.
And I’ll explain stable
coins in a second.
The Clarity Act was passed
in the house last year.
Its compliment in the Senate is called,
it’s a discussion draft called the
Responsible Financial Innovation Act.
And so the final ACT’s name I’ll
call it the CLARITY Act, but
I don’t know which it will be.
The Senate and the House have not agreed,
and that has become a very bitter fight
and I can explain what that’s about.
The reason the Genius Act and the Clarity
Act are very important is, there has
been a push to say we don’t want central
bank digital currency because we don’t
want the central banks putting the banks
outta business and controlling centrally.
What has happened though is now
they’re doing a form of private,
think of it as private CBDC, stable
coins and digital assets and tokens
that can essentially implement
the same social credit and control
system, but through private issuers.
So let me turn to stable
coins for a second.
’cause the Genius Act has passed.
They’re working on regulations
that’ll come out at the end of this
year or the beginning of next year.
If a stable stablecoin is issued, it’s a
crypto issued on a distributive ledger,
and it’s basically the money that
is received to buy the stablecoin is
reinvested in either treasury bills that
are 93 days or shorter in maturity or.
High quality bank deposits.
So cash so basically it’s a
hundred percent collateralized.
So when you have a stable coin, it’s
like having a little treasury bill.
Yeah.
Okay.
A dollar of treasury bill.
Okay.
So think of yourself as
using a treasury bill so it’s
not so different from US currency.
No.
No it’s certainly in terms of value,
and the reason you call it a stable
coin is you’re hoping theoretically
a stable coin could be done on other
currencies as well, but you’re hoping
that a dollar stable coin will not
be volatile in price the way many
cryptos are volatile in price.
So it’s designed so the price is stable.
Okay.
So one of the hopes and one of the reasons
that we’re issuing stable coins is as
foreign purchases of treasuries diminish,
we’re hoping that you can put out stable
coins worldwide and attract retail
money right into the treasury market.
So the wholesale market is rejecting you.
And so now through the mobile payment
systems, you can put out stable points.
So it’s
another way of propping up US debt.
It’s another way of preserving
US dominance, dollar dominance.
Okay.
And, but the danger of course
is there are two dangers.
One is if everyone.
Your town in Maine pulls their
money out of the bank and puts
it on their mobile payment.
Stable coin.
All the loan market and the
credit creation market in
your town is gonna collapse.
Because they’re leaving
your local economy.
Right.
And going into the treasury
market to finance the feds.
So what Amazon did to retailers in town,
stablecoin could do to banks in towns
to community banks and credit unions.
Yeah.
Now they can also issue stable
coins, but again, that money’s
gonna go into the treasury market
rather than multiply on Main Street.
There’s been a real.
Quiet war over the last 20, 30 years
because the federal regulators have
pushed the community banks and credit
unions to not make loans on Main Street,
but put their money in the investment
portfolio where they do buy treasuries.
Okay.
And this is all part of getting
your local economy more and
more dependent on federal money?
I’m seeing this,
yes.
All to, there are only like
four trends in the modern world
and there, this is one of them.
Power money, centralized, go to the
national capital away from the provinces.
It’s like it’s happening everywhere.
But here’s the thing, and this is
the little secret to real solutions.
If you look at the last 50 years
or 70 years since World War ii,
every effort has been made through
taxes or credit or various financial
mechanisms to get all the money to
go into Central and come back down.
I. And now if you go into most
communities, so America’s 3,100 counties,
most counties, 40 or 50% of the income
in that county is coming through.
It goes up to Wall Street or
Washington and comes back down.
And so you end up with more
and more central control.
Now here’s the little secret.
It’s economically insane.
If you could do more money going around,
you could make the pie much bigger.
Of course,
right?
Just like power transmission.
The longer you have to move power along
the lines, the more power you lose.
Exactly.
And technology should advantage
the little guy, not the big guy.
Go back to,
wait, can you just pause there?
That Thank you for it just
shows how old I am that I know
what you’re talking about.
’cause that was the original promise,
right?
That.
It’s hard to believe now, right?
But 30 years ago when the internet was
being introduced to the public, right?
The idea was this is empowering
for the average person.
So when that happened, that was when
my company, this was the fight I
had with the Department of Justice.
We built software tools.
We had one software tool called
Community IPO in a Box to help
everybody locally facilitate equity
stock markets for local areas.
But we build a software tool
called Community Wizard.
And you could dial in and say, my
neighborhood is my county, or my zip
code, or my congressional district.
And you could map out the
sources and uses of all federal.
Credit and money in your community, so you
could get the equivalent of a financial
statement for the jurisdictions in which
you vote for political representation.
So you could really hold your congressman
accountable because you could see a
financial statement for your jurisdiction.
And the Department of Justice sees
our offices seized the software,
put it, it took me six years to get
it out from the courts, and when I
got it out from the courts, it was
missing all the most important pieces.
It’s funny, they’d wanna
discourage accountability.
What I discovered when I was in the.
In the administration was that if
the local business people could see
how the money works around them,
they could get back in the game.
We regularly saw, I told you this before,
we regularly saw communities where HUD
was spending 250,000 per unit to build
public housing, and 50,000 would buy
and rehab a single family foreclosed
property in the same four block area.
And I literally but it
was the same with jobs.
We were paying a contractor in
Washington a hundred, 125 per hour
to do something that we could.
Keep local.
You didn’t need to send
it all the way up there.
No.
So that a big contractor could,
corporate contractor could do it.
So there was a great story during the
financial crisis where a woman lost
her job, very responsible, hardworking,
couldn’t find another job, ultimately
had to take food stamps, which was
a matter of great shame for her.
And so she had a problem with ’em and
called tech support and got a woman in
India working for JP Morgan Chase, who
had, at that point 37 of the state food
stamp programs they were managing.
And she said, wait a minute I could
do this job and if I was doing this
job, I wouldn’t need food stamps.
So why are we sending it to India
with a big markup for a big bank
when I could just do this job and
then I wouldn’t need food stamps?
It’s hard not to see
malice in there somewhere.
Oh, there’s total malice.
Here’s the thing.
If I have a a publicly traded stock
and it’s trading at a price earnings
ratio of 10, just we’ll make it simple.
If I make a dollar, my stock goes up $10.
Okay.
Now, if government intervenes to
take a million dollars of income to
main that Main Street is making and
shifted into a publicly traded stock,
that stock will go up 10 million.
What’s the biggest source
of political contributions?
Capital gains, right?
So the more I shift money out of Main
Street into publicly traded stocks,
the more I get the pop on the stock.
And the more investors of real
estate capital gains or company
enterprise capital gains,
the more money they’ll give.
So in Washington there’s
this giant sucking sound.
So let’s go back to the pandemic.
Remember the pandemic
I’ve, yeah, I vaguely
You shut down Main Street,
which is not publicly traded.
And suddenly all their market share has
to go to publicly traded stocks, either
online companies or the big box stores.
So I’ll never forget, there’s a wonderful
moment during the pandemic when Rick
Santilli is standing on the floor of the
New York Stock Exchange, and he is saying
and Andrew Sorkin is up in the studio
and Santilli says, this makes no sense.
I’m going to the mall.
All the little companies are closed.
Costco’s next door, and the parking
lot’s packed and Costco’s packed.
It doesn’t make any sense.
Why are the little guys have
to be shut down for the virus?
It’s okay next door.
Because the parking lot’s
packed people are all.
Congregated in they’re all together and
Sorkin says the virus can’t go in Costco.
It can’t go in the big box stores.
That’s science.
Cause Sorkin believes in science
But here’s the thing.
If you look at how much money
was made by Wall Street, it was
a giant sucking sound of market
share into publicly traded stocks.
And then the capital gains go back
around, for the political contributions.
So I told you I have an online book
that explains how this works which
I’ve tried to publish three times,
and each time it’s gotten sabotaged.
The last time they threatened
somebody in my family.
So I backed off and never publish.
It’s online.
It’s in it’s it’s not censored,
but I’ve never put it in hard back
and I’m waiting for everybody to die.
And then I’ll publish it again.
I’ll try again.
I’ll try for the fourth time.
But it shows you exactly how the
game works on a private prison
company that my old firm had financed.
So I show you, I get out all the
SEC documents and I show you the
game and how it works, how it
translates into capital gains.
And that was
Could you just summarize
it really quickly?
Yeah.
So we started a movement in the
early nineties to privatize a
portion of the prison system
I remember.
And it’s economically insane.
It’s, I
think I was, for it, for the record I’ve
had so many dumb positions over the years
that I. It’s, I think I was for that.
So at the time that I wrote the
analysis, the best figures I could get
from general accounting office was, it was
costing, the whole criminal justice system
was costing 154,000 per person per year.
And one of the reasons was the
construction of all these private
facilities is one of my theories.
But what I showed you was the stocks
were trading on a per bed basis.
Okay?
So if you could get a law
passed that mandated longer
sentences, the stocks would go up.
Because you get a bigger PE per bed.
Okay, come
on.
Yeah.
And literally what they did was
they started the companies and
then they started a program to drop
SWAT teams into neighborhoods to
literally drop in and round up kids
who could be dealing drugs or not.
Who was stealing the, bringing
in the drugs, it wasn’t the kids.
And and literally they cut off
in DC they cut off the money to
the public defender’s office.
So the kids had to all cop pleas
and that would stuff the prisons.
And at the same time, what they
did is they created a company at
the Department of Justice called,
that could market prison labor
to corporations for tiny dollars.
No, really it’s a slavery system.
Obviously
it’s a slavery system, and the book
describes, it’s called Dylan Reed in
the Aristocracy of Stock Profits and
explains how the whole system works,
who made money, how they made money.
And what’s sad about it is my, my
guess from doing that analysis is
that many of the people making money
on it are the same people who are
making money, bringing in the drugs.
And I describe all those things.
And the power of the book, it took
me a year to write it and I had
a, I was living in Montana and
you couldn’t walk in my house.
You could only step on piles of SEC
documents and there are literally
hundreds of thousands of pages of
documentation behind it because
I had to prove all the different
pieces of the financial ecosystem.
And so we put up all the
documentation and it was.
It was quite astonishing because it
really helped people who had trouble
understanding the growing central control.
It helped them to see that
it was very intentional.
The satisfaction, the moment we’re living
in is that the American dream itself is
evaporating for a lot of young people.
And how do you know that?
’cause they can’t afford to buy homes.
Owning property, something
that was completely normal.
It was America just a generation ago,
is now a dream for so many people.
People are using buy now, pay later
apps to buy food, dinner on credit.
So what you’re watching is
the slow failure of systems
that don’t work anymore.
This isn’t nostalgia.
Things really are getting
worse and you can feel it.
So for nearly 80 years, the US dollar
sat at the center of our economic system.
After World War ii, the world trusted the
dollar because it trusted the strength
and the discipline of American leaders.
And that trust, sadly, is fading.
You can see it when central banks
are doing right now, quietly at
historical levels across the world.
They are buying gold, not ETFs, but actual
gold and putting in an actual vault.
That’s what China’s doing,
dumping treasuries, buying gold.
So when the people closest to the
system are hedging against the dollar,
you should probably pay attention.
They are going to what they’ve always gone
to from the beginning of recorded history.
Gold owning today is not a radical move.
Oh, it’s so radical.
You’re buying gold.
You’d be insane not to.
It’s what we do in my house
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In order to implement any
big society-wide change.
And I think your COVID
example is a perfect one.
You really have to construct a crisis.
And the change is a solution to
whatever the problem you created is.
So if you, I don’t know, want
to create a new federal agency,
you probably need a nine 11.
If you want to make biometrics the rule,
you probably have to push AI and make
the case that we don’t know who anybody
is ’cause everything’s a deep fake.
So you have to have biometrics and
in your Twitter handle, et cetera.
What will be the crisis that
justifies digital currency?
So let me step back for a second
because what I see is the crisis
is only the apex and the third act.
To get the crisis working, you have
to get thousands of things in place.
For example, coming into COVID, I
don’t think you could have done.
COVID without, for example, getting
federal accounting standards advisory
board statement 56 into place in 2018,
and then having the central bankers
meet and approve the going direct reset.
I’m not familiar with that.
I will, I would be delighted to tell
you about that because Thank you.
This is one of those things
that sounds very boring, that is
like a a 10 Richter earthquake.
So for many years there was a group
of us who were, trying to bring
as much transparency to the fact
that there was serious criminality
going on in the federal accounts,
and $21 trillion was missing.
And that was happening because the
federal government refused to obey
the financial management laws.
So they’re required, you’re a citizen, you
pay your taxes, they’re required to give
you you give them your 10 40 and they’re
required to give you back and says,
okay, here’s how we spent your money.
And that’s required in the constitution
and the financial management
laws, the federal government has
said the mid nineties been in
complete violation of those laws.
So there was a lot of pressure that
was brought to bear when Dr. Mark
Skidmore, with Solari published his
report on the 21 trillion missing.
And pressure, the DOD keeps
saying we can’t pass an audit.
We’re not gonna pass an audit.
And then 2018, remember
the Kavanaugh hearings
very well.
Okay.
Everybody was very busy.
Watching the Kavanaugh hearings, the
federal government, the House, the
Senate, and the White House altogether
October, 2018 published an administrative
policy called FASB 56 that basically
said in violation of the constitution,
the financial management laws and the
financial management regulations, that
they could set up a secret group of
people by a secret process and pull things
out of the the government’s financial
statements and keep them secret, not
just for the 24 covered agencies, but for
150 plus related governmental entities.
And when you take in the national
security and classification laws,
that means also that the big banks
and contractors working for the
federal government can do the same.
That’s Deloitte and JP Morgan too.
And what that means is basically
the entire large cap stock and bond
market in the United States is secret.
The disclosure is meaningless.
It doesn’t mean anything.
And if you go to Solari, we have
a missing money section and we have
extensive not only descriptions of FASB
56, but what it means to investors.
On what grounds could the federal
government declare private
businesses, the whole of itself
all off limits to disclosure.
They have no legal basis because this
is in violation of the constitution,
the financial management laws and the
financial management regulations.
We have a section at Missing Money
with seven briefing papers that
took me two years working with our
attorneys to do it that describe all
the financial management laws of the
United States so that you can see.
And luckily, one of the
interesting things that happen
when Fas B 56 passes Matt Taibbi.
Picked up on it and wrote
an article about it.
And he, it’s funny, he emailed
me, he said, okay, I got the
briefing papers, thank God.
Because it’s very if you’re someone
like Matt Taibbi, it’s very hard
to sit down and learn the financial
management laws of the United States.
That’s why we did the briefing
papers so that any reporter
could get into this and master
it in a reasonable period of time.
Was this
a, or just a regulation?
Was this voted on?
No, this is administrative policy.
So in administra in law, there’s the
constitution, there’s the financial
management laws, there’s a regulation, and
then there’s the administrative policy.
So this is the total inversion.
This is an administrative policy
saying we can break the constitution,
the financial management laws and the
regulations by administrative policy.
But the house, the Senate, and
the and the White House all agreed.
So it was a joint and they
tried to sneak it through.
And I was very lucky because there was
a guy at the time who worked for the
American Federation of Scientists who
literally read the Fed Federal Register.
And I had signed up for his
newsletter because I didn’t want
to, but I trusted him to do it.
And he would keep an eye on
the black budget issues of
a guy named Steve Aftergood.
Very good.
And he, in his newsletter, he read
it and he understood what it meant.
’cause it’s so boring.
Nobody would understand that.
That’s exactly right.
Right.
What’s not boring?
And I just, I’m sorry to keep
interrupting you, but I don’t want
anything to fall through the cracks.
The black budget issues.
What black budget, what is the
black budget and what was he
looking at and why should we care?
So we have an overt economy.
We have a covert economy.
The covert economy is driven by a
series of pools of money and cash flows.
The first one
joseph Ferrell calls it the
hidden system of finance.
The first one started with all
the seizures during the wars.
So during World War ii, a great
amount of assets were seized, and
that created a pool of money that
was, available for covert operations.
So there’s a wonderful story in
Christopher Simpson’s first book about
how the money they had seized had been
moved into the exchange stabilization
fund, which is the mother of all
slush funds that’s managed by the
Secretary of Re managed by the New
York Fed for the Secretary of Treasury.
So the money had been moved in and
the Dulles brothers are sitting at
Sullivan and Cromwell and they use that
money to rig the 48 elections in in
Europe at the request of the Vatican.
Anyway so this is the so
we have these, the seizure pool.
Then what happened?
We passed the National Security Act
in 47, and then in 49 we passed the
CIA Act, which was very fractious.
It literally took assassinating
forreal to get that done and
who was thrown out of a window.
Yeah.
Yeah, so that’s
a, at Bethesda Naval Hospital, right?
He’d been the Secretary of War
and he was very opposed to the
creation of the black budget
and the creation of Israel.
And so
who killed him?
And why don’t people understand that the
Defense Secretary of War was murdered.
So we have, and
I don’t think one in a
hundred people know that.
So we he was a Dylan Reed partner,
so I knew that because I used to
stare at his painting in the partner’s
boardroom and or dining room.
And they would they would always
train you by telling you, if
you’re not careful in Washington.
This,
it’s funny, there are two
books that I have read on it.
B, both of which cost like a
hundred bucks a piece on eBay.
’cause they’re, it’s just,
have you read David Martin’s book?
I don’t know.
I have two.
They’re on in my office.
I read ’em
both.
You wanna read Dave Martin?
We have a great interview with Dave
Martin and let me finish telling you
both were written in the
sixties, but really quickly do.
His
murder,
his murder was part of a deal to
get the 49 Act passed is my theory.
Okay.
And and that, and to create
the creation of Israel.
So it was both the black budget
and Israel that were, and they
needed to get him out of the way.
We have a big interview on it, Solari,
and I’ve looked very into it very deeply.
I was very interested in Forreal.
Anyway, so the, but the
49 Act was the CIA Act.
So you have the National
Security Act 47, the CIA act.
What the CIA Act authorized was
the ability to appropriate money
to different agencies and then claw
it back secretly to a black budget.
So now we have the hidden system of
finance with the pools of seizes money.
And we add to that a layer of money that
can be appropriated and clawed and used
secretly only subject to very limited
oversight by a CA committee in Congress.
So the appropriations committees
wouldn’t see that money.
Only this one committee that
oversaw the black budget.
Okay.
And if you look at those two pools,
the next step happened in 81.
When Bush comes in as vice
president under Reagan.
And his deal with the Reagan folks
during the campaign was he’ll,
because he’d run the CIA He’ll Run
Intelligence and enforcement and the
Bushes were very good at the nuts and
bolts of the mechanics of government
and the legal system and money.
He got an executive order done that said
essentially you can use this secret money,
the black budget money, and you can use
it to hire corporate contractors who
can now do highly classified projects.
Now let me explain what this
means as a financial matter.
So we were talking about
stock market going up.
You can now take the most secret,
powerful technology in the world and
pay corporations to learn and end up
owning that technology secretly in a
way that drives their stock to the moon.
So now you’ve correct, connected the
US treasury market directly like a
pipe into companies and drive their
stock up almost to an infinite amount.
It’s quite as a financial mechanism.
It’s one of the most powerful things
that ever happened in our history.
What percent.
So we have the federal budget,
which we can look up online.
But after fast B 56,
it’s totally meaningless.
What?
And okay, so it’s meaningless
because we don’t know where
the money is actually going.
Is that why?
No, because the most important
pieces of money, we don’t
know what’s been taken out.
We don’t know what’s been made secret.
So you can see what’s there.
And you can see, for example, I can
see by looking at the HHS budget, how
much we’re spending to poison America.
I can see a lot.
Yeah.
No, it’s huge.
And we’re bankrupting country
poisoning America, but I
don’t know what’s not there.
In other words, a secret group of
people by a secret process have
taken out whatever they want.
And I don’t know what they’ve taken out.
I don’t know, doesn’t mean anything to me.
Would it be possible to
audit the federal budget?
You would have to audit
the bank statements.
You would have to audit people.
Say, we wanna audit the Fed.
No, you wanna audit the federal
accounts at the New York Fed,
and you wanna audit the exchange
stabilization fund at the New York Fed.
That’s what you wanna audit.
And what you wanna find out is, where
did the 21 trillion go or come in?
All the federal government has
refused to balance its accounts since
the mid nineties, and we know that
there are inexplicable undocument
adjustments of enormous amounts.
And the only way you can figure out
what happened is to go into those
bank accounts and figure out what
came in and what went out and to
actually map out the actual cash.
And you have to do it not just in
the so the New York Fed is depository
for the US government, so you have
to do it in those accounts, but you
also have to look at the borrowing
accounts and the slush fund accounts,
which is the exchange stabilization.
Has
anyone attempted to do any of that?
Rand Paul and his father and Congressman
Massey have talked about auditing.
The accounts.
And it’s funny because Massey and I were
at a great conference once and he was
talking about shutting down the Fed and
I kept saying no, you don’t shut it
down until you get the 21 trillion back.
Otherwise they get to
keep the 21 trillion.
So Thomas was up giving a wonderful
speech and he said I think we
should shut shut down the Fed.
And then he looked at me and he said,
after we get Katherine’s money back,
can I ask just quick about Massey?
He’s obviously gotten into a very
personal altercation with the president.
Ongoing.
There’s the question of apac.
He was one of the few people
who didn’t take APAC money.
But the all-out effort to destroy him,
I just feel like there’s something
more than just getting in a tiff
with Trump for not taking APAC money.
So here’s what’s at the
heart of Massey’s fight.
Yep.
And are we going to be run by
the rule of law or are we gonna be
run by a secret governance system?
Essentially consolidating things
into what I would call the
mega rich who are above the law.
Are we this is fundamentally about is
there gonna be the rule of law or not?
And the thing I love about Massey,
he’s an engineer and if you talk with
him or listen to him about a wide
range of subjects starting with food
and agriculture, he is ruthlessly
focused on what is productive.
On what makes economic sense and what
he knows is that the centralization
of control is destroying productivity.
It’s destroying wealth, and he
knows that whether it’s family
wealth or community wealth
you cannot have a civilization.
You cannot have a civilization if you
have a society that is this enormously
destructive of individual sovereignty
and individual and family wealth.
And so he’s literally, if you
look in all these different areas,
he’s just constantly moving out.
Making trying to do what makes sense
and and his understanding because
he’s been a entrepreneur and a small
businessman, and a farmer and a rancher.
He understands the economics bottom up.
One of my favorite Thomas Massey
stories I heard on your show, which
was an amazing interview, I always make
young people watch at least the second
half of your interview with Massey,
the off-grid part.
Yeah.
When he’s talking, that’s my
favorite part about how he figures.
He gets he busts the, he’s the
county mayor, essentially, and he busts
the prisoners out of the jail to help
him install a new hot water heater.
’cause they can’t afford to
buy they have to buy a used one.
They can’t afford to buy a new one.
Exactly.
Okay.
So that’s that’s exactly the story.
That’s a building well story, right?
Yeah.
What’s happened is so sad.
I, it’s hard to believe.
It’s one of the finest people
I’ve ever met in Washington.
And it was just gone in this direction.
That’s not helping anybody.
You think?
I, so I tend to have a
pretty shallow analysis.
So when I say it’s helping no
one I’m not confident of helping.
No one here’s
think our number one problem is
the secret governance system.
I agree with that.
And he’s going right at the heart
of the issue, not because he wanted
to, but because he is trying to do
all these fundamentally productive
things in five or 10 different years.
None
of us wanted any of
these fights, actually.
Right.
I think it’s fair to say he didn’t
really want these fights either,
right?
He, here’s the thing.
So if I was if suddenly tomorrow I
got, I was in charge I was the
dictator in charge, first thing I’d
do is I’d outlaw dual citizenship.
In an important governmental position,
obviously.
And and that goes to the
heart of the secret governance
system and backdoor control.
How does dual citizenship go to
the heart of secret governance?
Be because the secret governance
system controls through allowing
people to operate above the law
or have different incentives that
put them outside of the system.
And I think the dual citizenship
is part of that process.
At the
most obvious level, you can be
indicted for a crime in the United
States and flee to the right
other country’s passport You hold.
So look at the sex offenders.
Who literally have done terrible
things with children in this country
who’ve flee to Israel and are protected
Dozens and dozens and dozens
of them, not just a few.
We had a high profile example
of this recently, but it’s been
going on a really long time.
That’s the obvi, that’s the
most shocking kind of way.
Wait, how do you get to try to
molest a child and then flee to
our closest ally and stay safe?
But you’re saying that this
same principle applies to
financial crimes and governance.
So I suspect, one of the things I’ve
never known is what is the full benefits
of dual citizenship, but I suspect
there are financial benefits as well.
Tell me what that means.
So it, it could mean many things.
It could be the ability to keep
money in Israel or through Israel
off books, not subject to taxes.
It could mean many things.
It could just mean financial
rewards that are completely
on the face of it, legal.
But I’ll give you an example.
We’ve just seen two arrests in the
UK coming out of the Epstein files.
Not for anything to do with
sex, but the fact that they had
compromised state secrets, right?
But presumably they did that in
exchange for various benefits
of being part of the network.
The, what is the network?
In that case I would I would call it
the Epstein network, but I’d really
call it the Raw Shield Network.
Big picture that the takeaway from
my perspective from the Epstein, a
cursory reading of 2 million pages
is that there’s a government or a
governance structure above governments.
So
I would say that there are
in investment networks.
And if you look at what Epstein,
there’s, if you come to Solari, we have
a commentary app called, was Jeffrey
Epstein, the father of Programmable
Money, which I believe you know the
answer is yes, or certainly one of them.
And if you read, we’re pointing to a
substack series written by a guy who
writes anonymously under the name ES, C
as in escape, ESC, and it’s a marvelous.
Thing what very well documented back
to the Epstein files that we’ve now
received, describing how Epstein,
who I believe was laundering money,
was allocating that money to all
these different projects that helped
develop crypto and programmable money.
And but what he describes in the process
of one of those substack is traditionally,
historically, for the last 150 years,
how the Roth Shield networks, and I would
include Rockefeller and Roth Shield as a
sort of central banking network together,
how they operate, both the family and
then people who are as calls him the
switchboard, the agents who coordinate
between the different houses and.
And the network.
And in one sense it’s a very informal
network, but it because it has the
blessing of the central bankers, it
receives a lot of protection from
the intelligence agencies and it’s
a networking function and he does
a very good job of describing how
it operates as a functional matter.
And that’s it.
Everything he writes is exactly what
I saw in Washington and Wall Street.
You have a layer of equity pools in and
around the central banks that are engaged
in trying to build forward in a variety of
ways and position money and manage risk.
And they are literally
increasingly above the law.
And they don’t seem directly
tied to any particular country.
They’re above countries.
Yeah.
They’re they’re they can operate
within a country’s sphere.
But Epstein was basically global.
And if you look at the programmable
money and what he was doing to build
programmable money that required
operation in both Europe, the
United States, and around the world.
Can I just a ask you a question that
occurs, so if you, China’s economy’s
now bigger than the United States
is clearly China is gonna be at some
point, likely the dominant world power.
I don’t necessarily believe that.
You don’t?
No.
Okay.
The, I, the nature of the
Chinese government and
civilizations seem to make it.
Kind of impervious to this sort of stuff.
Like China’s an Ethnostate,
right?
Ahan, Chinese, ethnostate.
So I don’t think they’re
gonna be doing a lot of dual
citizenship type stuff in China.
No.
And I don’t believe the Chinese
government is gonna allow its authority
to be challenged by international
pools of capital, at least in the East.
Because it’s gonna
control the east, right?
I think.
Right.
So China is like a
roadblock to these forces.
So the question is China was
developed by Europe and US capital,
right?
And so the question is what
obligations does China have
to European and US capital?
And I don’t know the answer.
China’s strength is if you look at what
they’re doing with technology, their
innovation and speed is astonishing.
And very impressive and is racing
by the United States right now.
If you look at their demographic issues
and their they have very serious
demographic issues and they have a very
serious real estate crisis to be managed.
That has profound implications with
a demographic problem because a lot
of the retirement saving was put
in real estate and now that real
estate is down and they have an aging
population, they’ve got some real issues.
They have a lot to manage and a
lot of how they do depends on how
successful their Silk Road innovation
investments work out for them.
But I’m not convinced that
they necessarily have to end
up as the dominant world power.
If they’ve worked very
hard for the last 10 to 15
years to make their currency.
Acceptable as one of the
basket of reserve currencies.
And yet if you look at how much ha
the market share it’s it’s limited.
And I think one reason is the distrust
of the Chinese is extraordinary
because they are deeply committed
to the superiority of the Han people.
And so if you look at different
experiences people have had with
the Chinese, I think they have
a real challenge to build trust.
Now the US was able to
build that kind of trust.
Now we’re blowing it.
The question is how fast can they build
it versus how fast are we gonna blow it?
I wanna get back to programmable
digital currency really quick.
How far are we from like
universal adoption in the west?
And when.
And if that comes, what will it
mean for the average person?
Okay, so let’s go back to the Clarity Act.
So stable coins are the
trading the treasury bills.
Yep.
And the, I think treasury’s hope is
that they can attract several billion,
anywhere from four to 10 billion, trillion
dollars into the treasury market with
this mechanism by offering it globally.
And if it’s very successful at a
retail level, it’s gonna pull a
lot of money out of local banking
systems all over the world.
What’s the advantage
to using a stable coin?
I can’t, stable coin proponents will say
that it lowers transaction fees, right?
Which will probably be true
internationally, but frankly, I can’t
think of one reason why I would ever, I
have no intention of using any of them.
So the last thing I want
You’re against it, like
philosophically and for for the
reasons you’ve articulated, but.
It’s like Amazon’s obviously
bad, but everyone uses it
because they’re clear benefits.
It’s like it’s cheap, it’s fast.
Right.
Are there clear benefits to the
consumer in the, in stablecoin?
So what will really come down is if
you wanna use a system on your mobile
payment phone which will be better?
Venmo or the stablecoin and it depends.
A lot of that depends on what
comes out in the negotiation next.
And I’ll get to that in a second.
If the FinTech firms can
offer rewards and interest
Yep.
Then they can make it very
attractive to use a stablecoin.
And, but it’s not clear.
It’s not clear how that’s gonna sort out.
Okay.
Sounds like the US government
needs the stablecoin in order
to keep treasuries selling.
If you look at how much they say
they’re hoping to get, it’s not that.
It’s not gonna make the big difference.
Okay.
Now let’s talk about asset tokens.
’cause that’s where the
big float is gonna come.
The Clarity Act is what is creating
the as the Genius Act created
the framework for stable coins.
The Clarity Act and its Senate
version is creating the framework for
digital assets and digital tokens.
Now, Larry Fink and BlackRock have said
they’re planning on trading all stocks
and bonds using tokens or digital assets.
So they have not been clear operationally
exact exactly how this is gonna work.
But what it means is this is going
to be potentially a hundred, 200,
$300 trillion market if they do it.
And what that means is they wanna be
able to trade all financial assets
worldwide on a distributive ledger that
can be turned into programmable money.
Now if you talk to the people who
are issuing stable coins now, or
working on the Clarity Act, they
say, oh, we would never do that.
That’s CBDC.
But in fact, if you look at the
stable coin bill, the Genius
Act, it is set up, and we have a
big article about this on Sole.
It is set up so that all
stable coin issuers have to
plug into the treasury’s pipe.
Where the treasury applies, it’s know your
customer money laundering and sanctions.
And if you look at that
pipe can be integrated with
a full social credit system.
So whereas CBDC applies the
rules through the central bank.
The stable coins apply the
rules through the treasury.
And so if we are working with
states, we have, Solari has model
legislation on stopping programmable
money from being misused.
And what we are saying to the
states is, look, before the horse
leaves the barn, you have to put the
bridle and the saddle on the horse.
And so states can outlaw this.
And we’re trying to get the states
to make sure, ’cause treasury’s
saying, oh, we would never do that.
Or the stable companies are
saying, oh, we would never do that.
And we are saying, if you would never
do that, you don’t mind if we pass
a law that says you can’t do that.
Do they mind.
They don’t seem to be
enthusiastic about it.
And one of the interesting things is
the Clarity Act has a provision that
outlaws Central Bank digital currency.
It’s been thrown out
of the Senate version.
Apparently they wanna reserve the
right of the Central Bank to do that.
And apparently Congressmen have
said that, both in the NDAA and
another piece of legislation.
The Speaker, speaker Johnson, has
stopped their amendments to stop
Central Bank Digital Currency.
They said he promised them
that he would outlaw it.
The president had an executive order
promised they were believed, they were
promised that it would be turned into law.
Johnson has blocked it both times,
so I’m deeply suspicious because
if you look at what you can do with
stable coins and digital tokens and
digital assets, you can implement.
All programmable money, but if you
leave the authority open to do CBDC, at
some point the central banks can come
along once the system has gotten going.
And so my attitude is, look, if
you guys say you’re not gonna
do this, we can outlaw it.
Now again,
right?
Put the bridle and the the
saddle on the horse before you
leave the barn and the barn.
If you end up with 250 trillion
outstanding and you haven’t put the
bridal and saddle on, you got a problem.
What would be the effect if we wind
up with digital programmable currency?
So if we wind up with a 100% digital
system, no cash, no paper money,
we’re moving there fast.
We’re moving there.
Although we’re trying to Yeah.
Float down.
So remember, if if millions of
Americans start using cash in size, it
can absolutely revolutionize what happens.
So I recommend it, but if we move there,
then if I want you to not be able to
leave your home, your money won’t work.
If you leave your home, if I want
you to only be able to eat certain
foods and not, if I want you to be
able to eat foods made with insects
and not be able to buy real meat, your
money won’t work to buy real meat.
If I want you to take a vaccine a
month and I mandate vaccines for you
and your family, if you don’t, I’ll
turn off your money so I have complete
control of your food, your healthcare,
your spatial travel, everything.
So you are no longer in a
democracy or a democratic republic.
You are in a slavery system.
If I want your kids to leave their
home and go to a boarding school where
I control their education, if you
don’t agree, I turn off your money.
Can I just ask the dumbest question?
Why would anybody in authority
want that level of control?
Why?
What’s the impulse there?
Why would you want to do that to people?
With that kind of control, I can bring out
phenomenally powerful technology without
worrying about it being weaponized.
So I can bring out breakthrough
energy technology and not worry that
I can’t control how it gets used.
I can manage a a large population in
a world where technology is changing
without losing control, so I can.
A small group of people
can control the many.
And also if I believe that with life
science I can live forever or for much
longer lifetimes, I can either depopulate
or control people who are angry that
I’m living to be 145 and they’re not.
And I can basically keep them in
check even though so the mega rich
can live a very different l luxurious
life and control or shrink the
rest of the population without fear
because they have complete control.
Bottom line, in a time of radical
technological change, which we’re
living through right now, right?
The obvious, the first result is
like societal chaos and revolutions
and wars, and that’s why I got the
Bolsheviks, et cetera, et cetera.
The people pushing this technological
change or watching it from
positions of authority know this.
And so the control grid would allow
the transition to whatever this
technological future is without the
downside of a Bolshevik revolution.
In my experience, the people
who run the financial system are
first and foremost risk managers.
They don’t think in terms of making money,
they print money outta thin air but
they’re very deeply careful about risk.
And they’re very afraid of the guillotine.
They’re very afraid of the crowd.
They should be.
They should be.
And, but it’s hard to manage people.
And if you look at coming into the
development of digital technology and
globalization, they had two choices.
They could use this technology to build
something that allowed explosive, new,
decentralized wealth to be created.
At which point, how did they
make sure they stay in control?
Especially because you have so
much going on that’s secret.
So how do you stay in control and
can you create a bottom up structure
that will behave responsibly?
And the hard part of behaving
responsibly is you as a manager of
society, have to turn the aircraft
carrier before you hit the iceberg.
You don’t trust the crowd
to care until you hit the
iceberg and then it’s too late.
So you decide, okay,
we need a meritocracy.
We can’t trust the people.
Now I disagree with that, but, so
that was the model I was working on
when I was making all this software.
So I was saying we can have a bottom
up structure that does the risk
management, but builds the explosive
wealth and it can work but then
you don’t have an Uber class.
No you don’t.
But I think they decided, okay,
the only way we find managing.
The general population, very frustrating.
And it’s back to the red button story.
We find them very hypocritical
and irresponsible and frustrating.
We are very frustrated.
We are just gonna go to complete control.
And they had to choose one or the other.
And so they chose complete control.
The problem is once you get into
complete control you get a an Uber
class of people who literally think
of themselves as a different species.
Yeah.
And they may be actually,
sorry, excuse me.
I have my suspicions partly confirmed.
But anyway.
No, but you’re absolutely right.
The attitudes change when you go
from being an egalitarian society, or
least society that sees egalitarianism
as the goal, a Christian society to
something else, then the attitudes of
the people in charge become so bad.
I see it.
But here’s what’s interesting because
I have had a very unique life and so
I’ve had the privilege of living at
the top, in the middle and the bottom.
And what’s amazing when you go back
and forth between these different
groups, the people at the top have
no clue why the people at the bottom
are behaving the way they behave.
Zero.
It’s just the ignorance between the
different groups is unbelievable.
It’s funny, they I’ve spent my whole life
in that group and, but with sojourns into
other groups and the people at the top,
especially now more than ever, believe
that all criticism of them is hate.
It’s just, it’s unreasonable.
It’s just fundamentally unreasonable.
They hate us ’cause they always hate
us because they’re hateful people.
And that hate is based basically
an envy ’cause we’re so
great, we’re so successful.
We’re so smart that successful people
are always hated because of their success.
You know what’s funny about that?
If you,
it’s like those divorces you
see where one person is totally
convinced it’s the a hundred percent
the other person’s fault, right?
And you’re like, no, it’s a marriage.
It’s both your fault.
But here’s what’s funny ’cause I
live in the United States.
I live in Hickory Valley, Tennessee.
Yep.
And I will tell you, I’ve said many
times, if I have to go down the
river, I wanna go with people from
Hickory Valley, Tennessee instead of,
of course, I agree.
There’s a whole world of people
who’ve got 180 IQ in Silicon Valley
and they are stupid as attack because
they floated on it, on rigged black
budget and federal government money.
I’ve noticed
they have no.
Insight into fundamental economics.
That’s why I love Massey, because Massey
understands bottom up economics and
these, we have such a huge we have cycled
brilliant people through universities
and put them into places where they
are so divorced from fundamental
economics or the math of time and money
because they’re floating on a sea of
black budget and government money.
I completely agree.
And it does have a corrosive
effect on that class.
And then it reaches, its kind of
ugliest conclusion with Epstein who
like, in addition to everything else,
is like dumb I reads or illiterate?
Certainly illiterate.
I read his emails and I’m like,
this guy, I wouldn’t hire someone
like that under any circumstance.
These are the people who are telling
us they’re geniuses and we’re mad
at them because they’re so smart.
I don’t think so
But I think they think here’s the
thing, they think that many people.
Are stupid because they
let them get away with it.
They, there hasn’t been the pushback.
And so they, the more we allow it
to go on, the less they respect.
Now I’ll tell you something.
There was, wait,
is that such a deep point?
What you just said?
There was a magical moment
when Pam Bondy was testifying.
The Attorney General was testifying
on Epstein and she said, we should be
talking about the Dow being over 50,000.
Lemme correct you.
She said over $50,000.
Yeah.
What does that mean?
The Dow at $50,000?
What she meant was, so
I don’t know if you,
but it means she doesn’t
know what the DAO is, right?
It’s not $50,000, is it?
What?
But I’d forgotten that
she said dollars, but
Yeah.
But here’s what was magical about that.
So do you remember the red
button story I told you about?
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
So she was basically
saying, as long as we.
Keep your 4 0 1 ks up, we can do all
this stuff and it’s okay with you
because historically that is the truth.
God bless her.
The problem is, no, I’m not I
feel sad for Pam Bundy.
I don’t think she’s thriving.
I don’t think she’s happy.
No,
I’m not guessing.
But
live by the Dao, die, by the Dao.
So if that’s the, if that’s the measure
if all things are okay in a bull
market, then what is a bear market?
What does that suggest?
If that’s, do you know what I mean?
But here’s the message
of what she brought up.
If people will allow you to poison
and abuse and rape their children in
exchange for keeping their 4 0 1 ks
up, you have no reason to respect them.
I agree.
Okay.
And I don’t respect them.
So I’ll say that I feel the same way.
In that sense we’re, we all got
ourselves into this mess together.
I totally agree with that.
I completely agree.
I think that about China, I think
that about Epstein, there’s a lot
of hate toward this or that group
and it’s no, it’s like a marriage.
We’re all implicated in this.
And here’s the most frightening thing
that I find because it’s one thing
to be in your town and make a mess.
It’s another thing to make a mess and
not notice that the enemy’s at the gate.
That’s right.
So if you look at how we’ve
allowed ourselves to fall behind.
In technology and in national security and
in all the areas that matter to be strong
on the outside we’ve put ourselves it’s
one thing to have a corrupt leadership.
It’s another thing to have a
corrupt, incompetent leadership.
And what I would say is our leadership
has not done if you disrespect the
Hoya Pallo and you say, okay, I wanna be
the elite and have total control, then
you need to be competent at your job.
And they’re not.
And the question is, why?
And I vehemently agree with you.
I gave this speech at dinner the
other night to a bunch of people.
Every society in history
is run by a tiny elite.
Often they’re foreigners, by the way.
That’s true now in millions
of many different countries.
Right.
El Salvador is run by a Palestinian,
Peru was run by a Japanese guy.
This is okay.
That’s not uncommon.
And there’s always a
Brahman class, always.
I’m not mad about any of that.
Actually, what makes the West so
different, the English speaking countries,
is that their populations are all dying.
So it does seem like it’s
more than incompetence.
It seems hate to me.
Yeah.
At least as measured by its results.
So there is definitely a targeting
and a destruction of that.
That’s the way it seems to me.
It’s okay, so you’re in charge.
We make a bunch of money.
You get the most of it
because you’re in charge.
That’s corrupt.
Yes.
But it’s also just the rule.
I, I can live with that but if
you’re trying to kill me, even
as you’re extracting the fruit
of my toil, then it’s no.
This is an undeclared war against me.
That’s what I perceive
that war is on.
But if you look at who’s implementing
that war, they don’t have a
culture and ethic or a Mandarin
class that can go the distance.
I agree with that strongly.
Okay.
Wait, can you flesh it out a little bit?
Yes.
That ruling class isn’t
designed to survive and thrive.
Is that what you’re saying?
They’re gonna fail.
They, I’m sure they’re gonna fail now.
I don’t underestimate the damage
they can do before they fail.
One thing I will say about China,
if there’s an argument for China’s
success, it is because it has a Mandarin
class and it has a tradition of
hundreds of years of that Mandarin
class and that’s what you need.
The reason I left Washington in 1998 and
I said, I’m out, these guys are gonna fail
is whether it’s the group destroying
the our equivalent of the Mandarin
class or the Mandarin class itself,
they did not have a culture, an ethic,
a vision that could go the distance.
They weren’t good to build
an advanced civilization that
they didn’t have what it took.
What an interesting observation.
So what does a successful
ruling class have?
What is the culture that we
don’t have that China does
it.
It has a culture.
It has a commitment to the long-term.
Yeah.
So it has a long-term arc
and it has the discipline.
To achieve that by keeping each and
making each individual sovereign
with integrity, but disciplined
to the vision and the order.
It doesn’t let the power go to its head.
I’ll never forget when I first went
to Washington, I was, I had been
trained my whole life to deal with
massive amounts of financial power
without letting it go to my head.
And you got to Washington and you could
look around the room and you could see
the people who also had that training.
They knew this was not their money or
their credit, it belonged to the country
and they were there as a fiduciary for
a temporary period of time to manage it.
And they took the time to understand the
laws and the rules and to collaborate
with other people to do you got other
people who were there, didn’t have that
background or training, and suddenly,
it’s my money, it’s my portfolio.
It goes to their head and they
literally they get drunk on
power and they can’t handle it.
It’s like they, it’s like
looking at electrical system
that can handle that voltage.
And they they melt down,
it burns the house down.
It burns the house down.
And what you had, you’ve gone through a
process in Washington where I saw all
the people who had been trained the way
I had been trained, who got pushed out.
’cause they wouldn’t break the law
and they wouldn’t do stupid things.
And they got pushed out.
And you just got Yes men.
Yes men.
And now you’ve got something
that has no, it, it doesn’t have a
culture that can handle the voltage.
So I, I feel like you see this even now,
I noticed this during the trans thing
I felt like our leaders were pushing
the transgender lunacy on everybody.
Right.
But then I noticed that their own
children probably in higher proportion
were also falling prey to it.
Same with drugs,
right?
They pushed drugs on the
population, but their kids od too.
Right?
So it’s
they believe these lies.
It’s not just an effort to genocide
the population, which it is as well.
Because you’re not talking about
the top guys, you’re talking about the
sort of the middle, the implementers.
So yeah, they’re in the trance
too, and everybody’s thinking
they’re a genius because they’re,
where does this go over the next 10 years?
You know something?
We are in a very interesting position.
I said it the, to the Solari team
at the beginning of the year.
Our motto for this year is rock and
roll, because the disruption is not
only so chaotic and unpredictable
it’s impossible to predict it because
you’re talk when you have, if you go
back and you look at when information
technology innovates dramatically
the telephone or the telegraph.
What happens is you not only
dramatically improve the or speed up
the innovation in each area, but the
connections and integration between
areas and ways that it’s beyond our,
you couldn’t anticipate
you, you can’t anticipate,
you can’t predict it.
And and so if you look at the speed of
change, it’s, but I think if you look
at every group I watch geopolitically
or financially events are gonna outrun
us all and they’re gonna surprise us all.
And so we’re going into an
out of control situation.
Now the people who run, in my experience,
the people who run the financial system
always have a plan, B, c, D, and have
thought things ahead, how they’re
gonna manage this, I don’t know.
So how does the average
person respond to it?
With faith?
With faith,
yeah.
Faith in
faith.
So I believe so.
I told you I was gonna
give you some homework.
So here’s my, I
welcome it.
Here’s my favorite new book.
It’s called we’re just about
to publish an amazing interview
with with the author.
It’s called A New Science
of Heaven by Robert Temple.
Okay?
And it’s about plasma.
Our annual wrap up is, and we’ll
send you a copy, is on plasma.
I’m writing it down.
Okay.
Now, 99% of the universe
is made up of plasma.
And if you go back,
I’ll confess, I have
no idea what plasma is.
Don’t ask me to explain it.
It’s about 90% of the universe.
99,
90
9% of the universe, 99% excuse.
And if you go back and listen to
people like David bm, the great
physicist, they would intimate this.
But Temple, Dr. Robert Temple has
now written a book that really
goes through all the science of it.
And what Temple says is that
plasma is alive and intelligent.
Which brings all new meaning
to the notion of he lives.
What he’s saying is, the universe
is alive and intelligent.
Now I, throughout my
history, and it’s, I feel
that, don’t you?
It’s true.
I’m sure it’s true.
It’s, yeah.
Yeah.
The universe is alive.
The universe is intelligent.
Whether it’s the plants, the animals,
the people, yes, we share intelligence
and it’s not through our brain.
It’s through our whole body,
through our energy, everything.
So anyway, but the new science of
heaven is really about plasma and
how it’s alive and intelligent.
Now, what I’m gonna tell you, I don’t
care how much programmable money you have,
how many biometrics you have, how many
digital IDs you have, how many drones DOD
is gonna buy a million drones a year.
How many drones you have flying overhead?
I don’t care.
There’s no way you can
control the entire universe.
Do you know what I mean?
And if you understand.
What temple and Balm and these guys are
saying about how the universe works.
It’s outta control.
Now what you can do is you can interact
with it with love and intention and
integrity but it’s outta control.
And I absolutely believe that.
And that’s why I think this whole
digital control model is gonna fail.
I just wanna make sure
you’re describing the
Tower of Babel, right?
You’re describing like
the limits of human power,
the,
and foresight
And technology.
It just, if you understand
life, the whole thing is nuts.
Now if you look at the
leadership, I can absolutely.
Because they’re hyper materialists,
I can absolutely believe that.
They would think they can control it.
I can understand as risk
managers why you might want to,
what’s a hyper materialist?
A hyper materialist is somebody.
So if you and I were gonna make a
taxonomy of all knowledge in our
world, there is knowledge that
relates to things that we can see.
So this table or this wall,
or this painting it’s real.
We can see it, it’s concrete.
Okay?
So there’s a material world but
then there’s a whole world that’s
invisible, either because it’s
spiritual or it may be material, but
it’s like the wifi in the room, right?
We can’t see it.
So there’s a whole part of our
reality, whether it’s what
I call the morphogenic field.
So shared intelligence, or your
energetic body, or my energetic
body or or the wifi in the room,
whether it’s material or spiritual.
There’s a whole world that’s invisible.
What in in the American culture in
my lifetime is people become more and
more focused on what they can see.
That’s material.
The only invisible thing
they relate to is money.
Money is an invisible,
finance is an invisible, so
money is their God.
Only a hyper materialist could
allow money to become their
God because if you understand,
but if it’s the only invisible
thing you believe in,
right,
it’s your God.
But they don’t know.
They literally don’t know how intelligence
works and how power works in the universe.
They are completely ignorant
of the real power lines because
they can’t see the invisible.
It’s phenomenal.
It’s like walking around in a, so imagine
an orchestra trying to play music.
Everybody’s in the dark and
nobody can see the score.
That’s what, and that’s
why it sounds like that,
that’s why it’s so discordant.
Yeah.
It’s just completely and so it’s
Stop it with the kettle drum.
Right.
It’s time for the strings,
right?
Yeah.
So we have so we’re very excited
’cause we’re doing this program
called The Young Builders.
It’s one of the reasons I’m in Florida
and one of our challenges is, can we
help this group of young people to get
a good enough map of both the visible
and the invisible so that they can they
have a balanced map and can live a
balanced life and access the power to be
accessed from from really understanding
and seeing the invisible and knowing
that it’s very real and not falling
prey to being a hyper materialist.
What are the power lines
you just described?
So our freedom comes to
us by divine authority.
And if you look at what.
There’s a, one of my favorite
scriptures in the Bible is the prayers
of a righteous man of eth much.
And one of the things I’ve learned in
my life is that so I was an investment
advisor and all my clients would
show up and say, we want you to help
us use our money to keep ’em safe.
And what I would tell you is, in this
kind of environment, with this kind
of change, you can only be safe if you
have spiritual protection, if you have
spiritual intelligence, if you have
spiritual authority, and if you can
relate with other people in a way that
you can build relationships of trust.
And that kind of integrity and trust is
invisible, but if you look at what can
endure during periods like this, that’s
what endures, that’s what you can’t.
Corinthians says faith, hope,
and charity, those are the things
that endure that you can’t.
Lose and they’re real.
It just takes many years of
living and living around people
who do it to see that it’s real.
So I know, you know what I mean by this,
I know exactly what you mean.
And I agree so vehemently, I wish I
was as articulate as you were because
I but I literally had experiences where
I was gonna be dead in five seconds
and a miracle happened and it saved me.
And it was so I used to always say, I
had one amazing deposition where I had a
major spiritual protection and experience.
It was one of the most
amazing experiences.
My life had happened on several occasions.
And I said to I call the people who
you know, so I’m assuming it’s angels or
guardians or whatever you wanna call it.
And I said, I call ’em the
guys with the blue light.
And I said, don’t worry about.
Protecting yourself against the bad guys.
Worry about getting in good with
the guys with the blue light.
So
yes.
Yeah.
If you just there’s not
enough time to do all that risk
management against the bad guys.
If you just focus your energy
on getting in good with the
good guys, you’ll get protected.
I think this is the gospel basically.
Yeah.
So it’s I took, I, once, I when the
litigation began, I took a full one year
Bible course, which was one of the most
amazing courses I ever took in my life.
’cause the teachers were fantastic.
And it was riveting.
It was on Monday night after work,
and I, when I first got there,
there were like 200 people and I
thought, this is never gonna last.
Nobody in Washington’s gonna
show up on Monday night again
and again during the winter.
Every week it got bigger, the class grew
’cause it, the teaching was so amazing,
but it really is all on the Bible.
It’s amazing.
My favorite parable, I think is the
guy who was a good year with his crops.
So he builds new storehouses to store
’em, and then he finishes ’em, fills ’em
full of crops and says, I’m gonna take
a year off and just enjoy my bounty.
And then he drops dead.
So you made reference
a minute ago to art.
And that you just ran a piece on art.
Appreciating art, loving art.
W given your background in monetary
policy finance, why are you
commissioning pieces about art?
What does art have to do with anything?
Okay, so I’m gonna go
way out and come back in.
If you wanna have a successful society
and a successful financial system,
one of the most important questions
in a financial system is who or what
enforces who makes the rules, forces.
The only way to have a sec, a really
successful financial system, is to have
enforcement done primarily by culture.
Yes.
Okay.
So the question,
so self restraint as opposed to restraint.
And respect for the rules.
And respect.
Respect.
I am, I’ll give you an
example from Bible class.
I once had my teacher in Bible class
ask me about the Solari model, and I
explained it to her and she said, oh,
you’re making it much too complicated.
It’s in Leviticus, it says we have
to take care of ourselves, we have
to take care of the land, and we
have to take care of each other.
And I said, that’s it.
There you go.
So she was right.
But that’s an example of enforcement
by culture, the obligation that I
have to take care of myself, but
I also have to take care of the
land and the people around me.
Okay.
So that’s an example of
enforcement by culture.
Anyway so I. I decided, okay,
at the Solari Report we have to do
something to help build a culture.
And I brought you the coming Clean book
and that is a sort of an overview of
all the things we think are important
if you wanna build a culture that
will do a really good job of taking
care of yourself, but in a way that
takes care of others and the land.
But I was.
Thinking, okay, what can we do with
the Solari Report to help people really
understand and relate to culture?
So I was out in California and I had
a dear friend, Nina Hein, who had
just left this big high power job
as publicity of one of the studios.
And I said to her, she was
thinking about, what do I do next?
And I said, if you could do anything
you wanted, what would you do?
And she said, I would travel the world
going to museums and writing about it.
And I said, you’re hired.
So she started a column called Food
for the Soul, and she started writing
these co We would pay her budget to go
travel the world and see the museum.
She has a, she’s Polish, she and so she
has an apartment of war so on, goes back
and forth between Europe and California.
And she started writing these columns.
And it turns out Nina’s
absolutely brilliant.
Just off the chart’s brilliant and
understands the economic and the
history of all the different art
she’s writing about and the periods.
And these columns are
absolutely fascinating.
And we started to write it and after a
couple years, all these sort of major
periodicals started to do the same thing.
Nina would get very upset.
She said, they’re copying me.
And I said, that’s a compliment, Nina.
That’s great.
Anyway it grew and what happened is.
The Solari team would start going to the
museums with her when she was in town.
When she came to the she came
to Europe when we were celebrating
the year of Da Vinci in 2019.
I’m a huge Da Vinci fan.
And so we the Reichs Museum in Amsterdam
had all the Rembrandt, and then we went
to all the things in Italy and then to
the Louvre for Da Vinci, and the ary
team started coming, and then their wives
started, or husbands started coming.
And we all started going with her.
And so we started doing interviews
about art and why it was relevant
or why Da Vinci was relevant or
why Vermeer was relevant or the
golden age of the Dutch painters.
So we have a we have a
company in the Netherlands.
Anyway, it grew and finally we
said, let’s, we did a wrap up
called Visions of Freedom, which
she wrote of all the art that.
That inspired freedom and talked
about freedom and encouraged freedom.
And that was very successful.
And so we decided now we would
roll it up into Loving Art.
And the young Builder, she’s teaching
one of the courses for the Young Builders
because we think art is incredibly
important to encouraging culture
and helping people connect to both
the material and the non-material.
Anyway
It is the bridge, right?
That’s,
it’s one of mu I I love music too.
So every week we have a Music of
the Week on the Solari Report.
I think music is a bridge.
But I think art is a bridge.
She because of her history in the
movie industry, she also is one of the
people who votes for the Academy Awards.
So she sees everything.
She’s very good at tipping us
off to what movies we wanna
show up.
So if art can edify and uplift, a culture
can also degrade and fracture a culture.
I would think
Very famous story.
I had a dear friend in Washington
who ran the Confederate Museum
and he was giving a speech on
southern culture at the Smithsonian.
And right in the middle, some
young man stood up and said, why
should I care about any of this?
And John Edwards said young man.
Culture is the integration of
the divine in everyday life.
And I later said to him, I came back and I
said, John Edward, you forgot to warn me.
It could also be the integration,
the demonic in everyday life.
Yes.
And that’s if you read Coming clean,
the critical issue is, are you doing
everything you can to remove the demonic
from your everyday life and integrate
the divine in your everyday life?
And the more people who do that, by doing
that, I protect myself and my family.
And as I detox the evil from my life, I
deny the evil, the energy and the food
I’m giving it, which helps everybody else.
That’s my favorite principle ever.
So it just to reduce it to its
trist form, change starts with you.
The power we have.
I’m not saying that the
political mechanism isn’t an
opportunity to make change.
’cause I think in election year
it is the greatest power we
have is how we use our time.
How we use our attention, and how
we use our money in our daily lives.
And if we will revolutionize that by
coming clean, think of this as a detox,
if you will get I call the system,
the centralizing system, the tapeworm.
If you will get the tapeworm out
of your life, not only will you get
stronger but you will help everybody
else get stronger because you’re
denying the energy to the tapeworm.
So what kind of daily
rituals make that work?
So the first thing you do is you start
with faith because everybody’s different.
And so if you read coming
clean, and I should say it’s
up on our website, it’s public.
Anybody can get the PDF
everybody’s different.
And so it’s very important that you apply
the mathematics of your time and money
in a way which is energizing for you.
It’s gotta be practical.
But the first thing you can start to do,
for example, and I’ll talk money ’cause
that’s my love, you can use cash, okay?
And you can stop shop, you
can stop using the banks.
So if you’re banking with one of
the big banks that created the great
financial crisis, that’s an opportunity
for you to get your money outta those.
But you can bank with a bank that
didn’t cause the good financial
CRI and is helping your local
community be successful.
So they’re are good banks
and they’re bad banks.
You can shift your money into a good bank.
You cannot shop with
the companies that are.
Basically building the control
grid and you cannot finance them.
If you look at most people’s 4 0 1 Ks
right now, they’re very over concentrated
in seven to 10 stocks that are basically
making money by building the control grid.
Now many years ago I was an investment
advisor and I changed my company to
investment screen and we were very
quiet about it because I wanted to
make sure that we could find plenty
of companies that are not engaged in
what I would call systemic organized
crime or building the control grid.
There are hundreds of them.
There are hundreds of great companies
that are just doing the work of the world
and are not engaged in organized crime.
You can invest in them.
You can invest in local
farmers to get your food.
There are many different things you
can do, but you can make sure your
time and money is going to support
the things that are good for you.
One of the most important is health.
So if you look at what bankrupts
families in America it’s poor health
and that comes from poor nutrition.
And from getting involved in the medical
system in a way that’s unhealthy for you.
Yeah.
And what I used to find when I was
investment advisors is people would
tell me who were millionaires and had
a fortune, they would tell me, I can’t
afford biodynamic or organic food.
I was like, you can’t not afford that.
You’re cra if you have millions of
dollars in your brokerage account and
you are eating cheap food you are making
a terrible financial decision anyway.
So if you, there, there are 25 items
in coming clean and you can go through
all of them, but they’re all about
whether it’s your time, your money.
One of them of course is is
getting good intelligence.
So if they’re watching Tucker
Carlson, they already know what to do.
But I can’t tell you how many times I. Had
clients who would watch the major networks
and just they would have a bad map of the
world and make terrible mistakes because
they weren’t getting good intelligence.
I know.
Very smart, very successful people
who have no idea what’s happening.
Right.
So can I’ve interrupted you like a
hundred times during this conversation,
but it’s, there’s so many interesting
places to pause information and the
means by which it’s disseminated
and we consume it, like word, a
period of real openness right now.
Because the old media have collapsed.
How long can that last where you
can say whatever you think on the
internet and read other people’s
unfiltered views on the internet?
That’s such a challenge to power that I’m
skeptical it can last for much longer.
So if you look at the infrastructure
that’s being put into place,
so DOD says that they’re gonna
buy a million drones a year.
If you look at the, what has
been I don’t know if you saw
the latest testimony about ice.
Whistleblower claiming that he was trained
to teach ice agents how to break the law.
So if you look at the drones, if you look
at the, what’s happening with the local
control grid, with the flock cameras,
the satellites, everything they’re
looking to put into place the hardware
where they can shut down free speech.
Now are we gonna let it go into place?
If you look at the
pushback is extraordinary.
And so it’s not clear to me
that they’ll succeed to do that.
I don’t know.
But I will tell you now, if we don’t
push back hard now and keep pushing
back, they will shut down free.
They’ll shut down.
The control grid will shut
down the First Amendment.
The second Amendment, it’ll
rip the Constitution of shreds.
It seems like the reason that
everyone you run into at this point
is like reassessing all previous
assumptions is because you can
read whatever you want now online.
It does seem like that has been the one,
the pivotal change in the last 10 years.
Nobody watches CNN.
Everyone reads X and that
makes the difference.
I I think what happened,
I think most people.
So I call it this way, if I have
a computer and I have 50 databases
and you bring me a database that
says I’ve gotta change my operating
system, that’s too hard because I’ve
gotta change 50 databases, right?
And everything.
I think when you, a friend of mine used to
call it getting hit by the Smite button.
When the system betrays you in a way that
is very harmful to you, whether because
you’re injured by pharmaceuticals or the
medical system, or your money is stolen in
the financial crisis, when the system does
something that really harms you, it forces
you to change your operating system.
And I think the panda, I think
the financial crisis harmed a lot
of people, but then the pandemic
really harmed a lot of people.
Yeah,
that’s right.
And I I will tell you, Tucker I we
were warning people from the beginning.
Don’t take the shot.
Don’t take the shot, don’t take the shot.
Then at the end of 2022,
I were big Wim H fans.
Do you know who Wim Hof
is in the Netherlands?
Yeah,
of
course.
Okay, so we’re huge Wim H fans.
Yeah, we’re pro Northern
Europe in my house.
Yes,
of
course.
We know
whom so at the end of 22, Wim Hof had
just published the Wim H Method and I
said to, I sent an email to everybody at
Christmas time and I said, if you’ve been
harmed by COVID, let us know and we will
send you a free copy of the Wim H method
because we think this can really help.
And we ended up giving away 250 copies
because we would get these letters, they
would write in and they would say what
had happened to them as a result of the
lockdowns and losing their job or the
shot Tucker, I’m not a sentimental person.
I would burst into tears
reading these stories.
It was so horrible.
And we just.
Buying books and giving them away because
I would get these letters that say,
this is the first time anybody’s done
anything nice to me for three years.
And it was so helpful to people.
And Wim Hof is such a loving presence
in people’s lives, and he makes you
laugh and he and the method really helps.
So we just kept getting more
books and giving them away
because it was so horrible.
And I think the pandemic shifted a lot
of people because they realized our
leaders not only don’t care about us,
they are absolutely willing to kill us.
Yeah.
I think they it imbues them with
the feeling of God-like strength.
They like it.
Yeah.
People love killing.
That’s why they always have,
that’s why they continue to do it.
They pretend they don’t love
it, but they do love it.
And I know people who do it and they love
it.
Yeah.
But I have to tell you that, if
you look at the joy that, that comes
from, that kind of power, if you look
at the joy that of creating life.
Exactly.
It’s so much more powerful.
I
couldn’t agree more.
Last question.
You,
you gotta plug into that invisible to,
to discover it and use it and know it.
Yeah.
God creates, Satan destroys.
It’s really simple.
Pick God’s team.
You said at the outset of this year, I
think a lot of people approached it with
trepidation, feeling woo, the foundations
are definitely trembling in the west.
You, you approached it
with like excitement.
You said rock and roll
was your rock and roll.
So what’s that?
Why are you optimistic at
everyone else is panicked.
This is the year of the fire
horse in Chinese New Year.
So we’re right in Chinese New year now.
Yep.
And it’s the year of the fire horse.
And the fire horse is a symbol of
great change, but it’s great strength.
I just bought a new mug that’s the fire
horse mug from one of these British
porcelain companies makes beautiful China.
But so I live in Friesland in the
Netherlands in the north, and and
the horses of the Friesian horses,
they’re the beautiful black stallions.
So every year in Le Warden I was up with
Michael Yan and his wife Mosko in in Le
Warden for the Friesian Stallion Show.
And these horses are just beautiful.
So that’s my image for this year because
I was with Michael Yan at
the Friesen Stallion Show.
Yeah, no, typically if I missed that one
It, put it on your bucket list.
It’s the most.
These horses are the most beautiful horses
in the world, and it’s an amazing show.
It’s every January in
Warden, I will take you.
I’m so conventional.
I think of myself as freethinking.
I didn’t even think about
the Fries and Stallion show.
Oh but the Friesians are these are
the horses that Knights would ride.
There are chargers.
They’re they have huge hearts.
They’re very powerful.
And that’s the energy you
have to go into this year.
Because remember,
I agree
with this.
If the world is alive and intelligent with
if it’s a plasma world, then we have to
attract to us the energy we need to build.
Everything’s thrown up.
And now we have to build it.
We have to create it.
That’s why we’re calling the young
Builders, builders everything’s
being thrown up in the air.
And the question is, what will you build?
So
I love it.
Catherine Austin Fitts.
Thank you very much.
God bless you.
God bless you.
